Here is a close up, hope you can see the hint of peach on it.
DXS-L close up
love it!!!!! look at those tendrils!
I'm going to use this pollen. I love this little flower.
can everyone that's had any of these three bloom email me the pictures? I'll compile them and then we can select a good name.
Wow! That sure is a pretty one!
TiG, this one and the one at the greenhouse are the same, the one at the GH is just bigger, but not as many blooms on the plant. The one by the patio must have 150 blooms on a 5 ft plant.
so they look the same too?
Yes, just one is bigger than the other.
I like this one a lot. Is this the same one I asked about with the frilly edge? Very pretty.
Now that looks more like the DxS L I remember. I really should have taken more notes on this series before I discarded them. I thought they were good enough to set seedpods to in the hopes of something better, but I never thought they were good enough to stand on their own. Of course, one mans idea of good and another are often completly different. I just gave these out in hopes that someone else might come up with something better. To be honest I would have kept them myself if I wasn't stuck on another cross I wanted to make in large numbers. Monika has me convinced that her way is much better than mine, but alas I can't give up on trying for early bloomers, hence I am only trying to go for one or two crosses each year for myself. My fear now though is that these three being so close will be like the frosty pink dilema everyone has. Pretty on pretty isn't always the best, but I figured as everyone knew the parentage of these then that would give them some information on what genes may come out of these seedlings. I think if nothing else one can look at the calyx on these though and note how they often change and how sometimes they have more splits than others. The angle is a bit different on the calyx as well if memory serves me, but alas I did not think anyone would like these enough to warrant naming them. I won't make that mistake again I assure you. These are all very good lessons I am learning here as I think I am starting to realize why Monika doesn't give out her seedlings that she is not going to breed with or keep for herself and perhaps why sometimes a hybridizer keeps a seedling to use for future breeding without releasing it to others. Of course, perhaps one finds that one grows more attached to that hybrid as time goes on and decides to name it even after one has had several different crosses from it. Live and learn as they say. I just know that I feel bad for not keeping more records on these crosses. Heck, with the way you guys like some of the hybrids I didn't think made the mark...I'm begging to think perhaps there were many more that were good that I didn't keep. In short, I am seeing a need to take pictures of each and every bloom from each and every cross, make notes on calyx differences, seedpod differences, color differences in each and every cross, and much more. Even when not keeping any from the cross. I think Monika and Kyle both have been hinting around to this need and I have been seeing it a bit for myself, but its all getting a bit more clearer....
Brugman,
Although you did not keep all of your seedlings by now you must realize that you have created some real beauties. I'm not trying to be patronizing either when I say this. Many factors go into the decision what to keep and what not. each has their own method. However, having said that there are apparent benefits to your having distributed your hybrids. First and foremost is the fact that others have continued to grow your hybrids and you have had the opportunity to participate in the decision making regarding the second generation hybrid crossings in some instances.
For example, if from a single hybrid cross of b. A x b. B become b. x ab, and Arlene take b. x ab and crosses it with b. versi peach; Cala crosses b. x ab with b. rosabelle, Liz crosses it with b. rosa traum and so on..then it allows you to see the possible color patterns and characteristics of future plants your original hybrids. It lets you know what are good crosses, unlikely crosses, poor crosses etc.
If everyone makes good notes regarding crosses and those notes are then sent to you as well as the first and second generation cuttings it allows you to understand your hybrids in a more comprehensive manner.
I'm saying this from my experience growing daylily seeds from a hybridizer who sent seeds to several different climatic regions all of us with different types of soil. We were required to keep notes regarding sprouting times, time when planted into soil; first year's growth, second year's growth, first blooms etc. The seeds I received all did well the first year. The second year I lost many of them-more than 75% after their first winter. The third year (this year) we had a late snow (Dec. 25) and a late spring followed by a cold spell again. The plants did well until they were hit by the cold spell and now there aren't any left. I don't know if other seeds went to a zone 6 region, but none were hardy enough to survive here. I nursed them along and watered them faithfully eventually hoping to get something great, but alas nothing. I did a further trial run with a fellow from British Columbia from a zone 8 region. None of the seedlings survived past the first winter.
I guess what I'm alluding to with regards to the brugs is that climates will also affect brug growth, and hardiness. Its great that you have accomplished early bloomers and I for one am pleased and honoured to have received some of your seeds from others who had surplus seeds.
I've found from my very limited experience growing brugs is that the bigger the pot the larger the plant will grow before it produces a Y. I split your seedlings into 2 groups, half of which are in 5-7 gallon buckets and half I left in 2 gallon pots. The 2 gallon pots I sunk into the soil and the large pots are set on top of the soil bed. In both instances the roots escaped the pots and have grown into the soil. The plants in the small 2 gallon pots compared to the 5-7 gallon pots appear to be producing Ys approximately the same time although the 5-7 gallon plants are all over 5 feet whereas the others are around 3 feet.
From this simple experiement I'm able to decide which size pot to use and method of planting to determine where I want the bottom of my Ys to be for standards.
In a vast space a tall standard would look good, but I have a mere 20' x 20' small front pocket garden so a shorter standard would be in better proportion to both the scale of the garden and the scale of the house...
I better stop now since I'm begging to ramble. I just want to finish by saying that I hope to continue to hybridize with your plants, hope I will keep accurate records, will post pics when they blooms and that some cuttings will make their way to you. Your plants have certainly enriched my life and I'm sure many other people on this forum.
Peace
Joydie, how long did it take your seedlings to y?