This is the Tollkirsche (crazy, nuts, insane cherry), a european Solanaceae relative. Its Alkaloid contents is much higher as of in Europe cultivated Brugmansias. After the first poisonings happened and the boulevard press pushed it up, parents, teachers (!) and politicans requested, that the drug plant Brugmansia should be banned by law out of german nurseries and gardens. It seemed to be completely forgotten, that Europe has its ' drug ' plants too. Young people, with a botanic book, can easy find this plant. One black berry of Atropa belladonna can be absolut deadly for a child. The other one is Bilsenkraut, poisonous but not in such degree as Atropa belladonna.
The flower looks much like a small sanguinea.
A very poisonous european Brugmansia relative
The boulevard press tends to blow everything out of proportions and I hope, that it will never succeed in having the Brugs banned.
I bought my first Brug (B. aurea "Golden Queen") from Høst Duedahl-Andersen, who then ran the Botanical nursery in Sorø.
After some drug addicts stole his plants outside the local pharmacy shop one night, he threw away all his Brugs and had ever since accused me to "grow poison!"
He has also since benn an eager member of a group under the Sorø Counsil`s plant dept. and stood in the front, when wild growing D. stramonium was destroyed in the County. Lucy, if there are still any left :`(
btw. The Belladonna is a very beautiful plant, both the leaves, stature and the sanguinea-looking flowers, - not to mention the deep purple/black berries. I have two specimens from two different locations and I grow the Henbane too (H. niger). I had a Henbane in the GH one year. The plant grew taller, than me and the plant is usually biennial, but it took a full life circle with flowers and seeds that summer. It was funny, that source it came from. It is from the old Monastry garden in Sorø, where now lyes Sorø Academy. One year the lawn had to be repaired and up came all these old herbs (Maria Tistle, Baldrian, Henbane, D. stramonium etc.). I picked a Henbane and a D. stramonium, but it was too long into the fall for the stramonium to give seeds, so only the Henbane is left. I have sowed it also this year and I know, that many will shoot in Ruths garden too :-)
I use this picture and of that the Bilsenkraut (Hyoscyamus)
in my Color slides lectures about Brugmansias. The black berry of the potato flower is also very poisonous.
Just look around in the german speaking internet and read these ridiculus recepies.
Tonny, a few years ago, there was very little known about Brugmansia and Alkaloids. There was a Brugmansia book on the market, not selling very good, and its author and publisher started advertising with headlines like: Brugmansia, the Rausch (intoxication) and Magic plant of the Indians. Now, you read this headline in gardenmagazines, Boulevard press and others, as a warning against Brugmansia. In many of these cases, the youths used Datura, especially innoxia. I get many calls, if I have this plant for sale. In the meanwhile, I tell them, that I dont have it and they just have to go into the next drugstore where they can buy legally Datura strammonium Tea along with the advice, to brew it strong enough, so our Social security doesnt need to pay for the hospitalization anymore but give these poor funeral services some earnings.
Many of our native plants have almost dissappeared, as these drug hunting people will eat everything, known poisonous. Daphne mezereum, Pfaffenhütchen (Eonymus) for instance, Taxus, very import food plants for our birds in the winter, Eonymus is loved by the Misteldrossel, when they pass by in the fall from Scandinavia, to reach their winterquarters in warmer parts in southern Europe.
I dont know, whats going on in the heads of young people!
"Brew it strong enough"---amen to that, Monika! (*grin*) I just wish the average person would learn not to go off about 'drug plants' without actually doing a little learning first! There are many common garden plants that are more likely to kill you accidentally than brugs or datura, and any number of plants that will get you 'high' without killing you.
I had several "nightly visits" in the TDCI garden in Sorø. That it not was plant hunters looking for some rare beauty was clear, because not one entire plant was dug carefully up of the ground *lol* That is wasn`t either someone visiting to fill their empty herbarium or to collect seeds was also evident, because branches, sometimes only leaves, top shoots, immature seedpods, - all such things was missing and very ramdomly cut.
I don`t like people using the tropa alkaloids as a drug or even to use it to open the doors to the inner planes. Even Shamans, that have perfect knowledge of the "safe" dozes sometimes is killed, so it is not for childsplay.
The drugaddicts, - there is notrhing to do about them. The would be travelers of the inner planes has to learn to enter "Alpha" (name of electrical current in the brain. Beta is daily consiousness, alpha is half sleep/half awake and ranging to the REM-state) in a different way.
I succeeded in germinating about 10-20 of the Belladonna and think of putting them at the most remote corner of the garden in order to avoid the mistake, that someone should see the plants unwarned. LOL The berries looks very delicious and after what I have heard they also tastes very well. Is it a plant for sun or shade?
I am glad that my children stay away from my plants.
Pebble, don`t worry about it. Both Datura and Brugmansia tastes very bitter and bad, so no one would eat them by accident. Common Monkshood (Aconitum napellus) is far more poisonous, than any Brug will ever be, but every one grows them in their gardens just as our Grandmothers time. No one never made much fuss about growing them. The reason, why I want to grow Belladonna in a remote site of the garden is, that the berries can be confused with Cherries and that they are so darn tasty.
Bump ... I have buds on mine + I have sowed four very rare species of Atropa.
I did not notice that sure it is so pretty.
Oh I am so glad you come back. also new name too add your wife too that so great!
I would love to have a huge collection of solanaceae someday! I'm fascinated with this group of plants!
Redrose, so wonderful to find you again. How is your Daturas. I know you have grown them now for some time, so you about to be an experienced lady :) Have you potted seeds for this year already or do you sow directly in the ground?
That is another thing we have in common Bruno. You are very welcome to seedlings when those are up. One has yellow flowers with purple veins. I had contact to a guy three years ago that had builded a website about his hyoscamus collection. Do you know where to locate him? He had about all its species :)
Kell, it is a wonderful flower. It reminds me of a flower that I saw in Copenhagen botanical garden, but I have forgotten the name. I will see, if I can get this good ol brain to swing again, so I can tell you *lol* I would have posted all the dangerous zoo *lol* ... but Terry and Snui is on baby vacation from now and a couple of months more. Snui can go in labour any time now, so you will have to take thanks with me running up and down the fences crying bow-wow and meeeouw! :)
Here`s mom and dad :)
Cups and Saucers Kell?
Cobaea scandens? It's a fast grower Kell...isn't it?
LOL,Bruno,you can tell I like common names,it sure looks like it to me.
This covered the whole back fence for me one year! It got so big that I decided to risk leaving it out for the winter! Bad idea..LOL!
Cobaea scandens? I remember those Cobaea`s. Climbers with bell flowers, right? I had some in 1996. They germinated allright, but they didn`t grow so well for me. It was supposed to have a kind of dark purplish bells. Lovely thoug. So aren`t they winter hardy in 8b?
I put 20 on my front porch,wanted to cover porch,I tore them down in 4 weeks,they were taking over the porch!!!Next time maybe one.
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Thanks, you are right......it is Cobaea scandens. It is great when your friends fill in your empty spaces in your mind......LOL! Doesn't it look like Monika's flower?
And Tonny it grows so quickly and I think it is so pretty.....I would try it on that fence though it may smother your roses. You will have to prune them well and train them to go up along the very top of the fence.
So you are going to have babies, Tonny........that is so exciting. And yes, that is the little dog that has the cat feet........LOL
The Cobaea is only hardy in Z 8 in the warmest winters. it survived here this winter, but not last winter, border-line!
Euopean zones and US zones are difficult to compare! We're a very wet zone 8 LOL. My Cobaea looked like it had made it but then died in the spring. Tonny has the right idea!...plant it where the root ball and lower parts of stems are protected by Shrubs from frost. I'm sure if i'd have made a bit more effort it'd still be alive..LOL
Kell, maybe I should only grow Cobaea scandens *lol* We are making a long pergola for the roses as well, so there can maybe also be too many of them.
Yes, zones are tricky to have to do with. Denmark is usually in zone 7, parts of Sweeden and Norway up north from us has zone 8 and some places in Germany south has zone 6 or less.
Its hotter here than in the rest of Denmark. We can plant out a month before we could in Sorø and take in a month later. When I told Ludger that we was in zone 7b he pointed at a particultar bush and said that if this bush would remain evergreen through the winter it was 7 b or else it was just zone 7. We had a pretty tough winter (I think *lol*), but this bush is still green, so I guess that 7b it must be.
When we had the first spring period here a friend in zone 8 still had winter.
I think that I will never be clever from these zones. US or EU zones, there are so many exceptions locally, so its only from experimenting that we will have clear knowledge about the small weirdnesses of our local climates. We had CG surviving without ground cover. It was planted real deep. Other Brugs was plantet in the same dept and left uncovered but they wasn `t hardy enough in our local climate.
Canada also has different zones than the states, didn't know Europe's were different again. Z 8 is mild, temperate. Cobaea it a true tropical in my opinion, but like the pelargonium geraniums they survived this year. That is also not common even here. Too wet and cold!
