I planted Datura seeds from 2 different people. The seedling look very different. Is that normal? The only ones I have ever seen were wild in CA & some look like I remember them looking like BUT it was 50 years ago *G* Maybe it would help if I take some pictures. I could have mislabeled some.
Sugar_fl
Datura differences
there are many many different datura. you probably didn't mislabel them, they are just different.
Tig I came back to ask for more help. How should I plant these.. sun or shade.. in the ground or pot..rich or normal soil (think I know that answer.. rich)I am new to these as U can tell *LOL*
Sugar_fl
I can only tell you how I did mine last year. Full sun, poor soil (aren't I awful) and in the ground. You can grow some of the smaller ones in pots, but I'm not sure which. Do you have any info besides datura? any other clues?
tiG, I can take some pictures tomorrow if that will help. I know nothing else except 1 pack had brown seeds & 1 was almost black BUT don't know which was which..
Tonny is a datura expert. he's really good and if he can't tell from the leaves, he can from the flowers.
If you soak the seeds overnight they will come up quicker.Cover about 1/8" with soil and keep in a warm place. They should come up within two weeks.I planted several different types last year and this worked for me.I live in a colder climate so I started mine in the house in six packs.
Snowhermit,
I didn't soak these & they were winter sowed outside. They came up pretty quick but not real good germination. I think the 2nd sowing is doing better. I'll have all I want plus some for friends.
Sugar_fl
Great Sugar. I keep forgetting that not everyone has frozen ground in the winter.Sure wish I could do some winter sowing.
I have found THE way to start daturas! Nick the seeds, and fold them in a wet paper towel. Put the towel into a plastic bag, and the bag in a warm spot. I had some sprouted within three days, nearly all within a week. (AND a few growing thru the paper towel, lol.) I gently lifted them onto the surface of my pots, then sprinkled fine potting soil over the roots and misted heavily. I started this project on 3/22, and I already have seedlings about 2" tall! WOW!
I've got some seeds to plant and I'll definitely try starting them this way.It sure is nice when things sprout quickly.
That's how I start mine too - in the paper towels. I hate the waiting game - and you can check and see how the seeds are doing.
Snowhermit - you should try the winter sowing in containers. I bet you'd be surprised what will grow this way. Yesterday I was shocked to see I have some hardy geraniums sprouting in my coke bottles already. The seeds freeze but then sprout when the conditions are warm enough.
Sugar_fl,
Datura seedlings like different depending on the species. The stramonium group has almost hairless stems. This also goes for D. metel and D. ceratocaula. The meteloides group has shorter, thicher stems covered with close hairs. Both D. inoxia, D. meteloides and D. wrightii can have either long, dense pubescence or short, velutinose pubescence depending on variety and geographical distribution :)
btw. my friend Dr. Robert Bye has made evidence, that the D. metel group originated from the species, D. inoxia. He found the D. metel and D. inoxia plants collected in southern Mexico to be closer related, than D. inoxia from the south and the northern parts of Mexico. His idea is, that D. metel originates from early native indians selections of D. inoxia for shorter hairs, larger flowers and blunter spines :)
btw. I forgot, that the stramonium group has black seeds.
D. ferox in this group has larger seeds, than any other.
Also D. discolor has black seeds, but with white attachments to the scar, where the root will emerge.
All other species has brown seeds.
In D. leichhardtii and pruinosa the seeds is light brown and somewhat elongated.
In D. ceratocaula the seeds has small, glittering pitts.
In D. inoxia. D. meteloides and D. wrightii the seeds are flat and have one ridge along the margin.
D. metel has three or more ridges.
In D. inoxia the seeds are reddish brown, in D. meteloides and D. wrightii the are of the ridge is brown and the center parts of the seeds is dark brown (these are sometimes described as wheat colored, but this is the color of the often sold immature seeds).
When Lene come back from Copenhagen (she has the camera) I can make photos of them, if you like *lol* They could serve as references, so you can determine, what seeds you get in the future :)
Tonny
Tonny,
a friend from Canada shared some tan colored seeds, which was tagged as Pale Pink Datura with mauve, white throat. it is supposed to be very fragrant. the flower is described as single. any ideas as to specie or variety of this Datura? i had inquired, but they do not know the origin/name either.
i have not planted it yet, so i can't verify info i recieved.
TIA ... ma vie
Ma Vie,
If the seeds are flat with only one ridge it could be D. meteloides. These range in color from entirely white over pale to strongly reddish to blueish purple.
If the upper margin has more than one ridge it would be D. metel var. fastuosa.
Here is a link to some photos of Datura seeds :) I hope it will be useful:
http://daturagarden.topcities.com/pages/seeds.htm
Tonny, is there a pink datura???
Thank U Tonny :D! looks like a Datura metel seed. appreciate ur help.
these datura seeds are so unpredictable. i presoak the seeds overnight, prior to planting. some emerge right away, this alledge pink, sure taking it's sweet time. very challenging i would say... ma vie
tiG... check this site for the pink datura ...http://www.geocities.com/lisarts/Summer_Scent_L/DaturaInfox.html , called Datura ceratocaula
I got some datura seeds in Mike Pipers RR yesterday and now I know how to start them! Thanks! My next question is how big do they get ? Do they do okay with 1/2 day sun? Lou
Tonny,
would La Fleur Datura belong to the D. pruinosa specie? i often wondered what specie La Fleur belonged to.
thanks... ma vie
Is it La Fleur Lilac?
It is a variety of D. bernhardtii and closely related to D. stramonium and D. tatula. It is much smaller. It is a slender plant reaching up to 1 m. The leaves are elliptic and sinuate-dentate. The flowers are white with five reddish purple external stribes and same color margin. The seedpods are smaller, than you find them in related species and oblong egg-shaped. Seeds small and black *lol*
Here is a link to pruinosa:
http://daturagarden.topcities.com/pages/pruinosa.htm
And two to D. bernhardtii:http://daturagarden.topcities.com/pages/bernhard1.htm
http://daturagarden.topcities.com/pages/bernhard2.htm
Tonny,
yes, it is the La Fleur Lilac. yes the seeds are much smaller and black in color.
Thanks.... ma vie
I have a new seedling datura ferox at work that is barely 3 inches tall and it has a terminal bud showing!!!!! :-)
Kyle,
La Fleur Lilac are so easy to grow & bloom. i sent some La Fleur Lilac seeds to a friend. i was told his plant is less than a feet tall and they are in full bloom, lots of bloom!
The first time I grew it they were blooming in the 6 pack about a month after germination!But I never got to see them bloom cause they only opened at night and I go to bed around 6 pm, LOL
I finally got some pictures though they aren't too good. Maybe they will help, let's hope so. I have some more seedling just coming up & one pack said Angel Trumpets. How long do they take to mature & bloom from seed?
I'll get some picture of the new seedlings soon.
Thanks for any help in IDing them,
Sugar_fl
http://arctic.photoisland.com/photosharing/guestindex.html?RefreshRandom=0.903860512163626
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Eclipse, that is what I call a fast ferox *lol* However, I noticed that Datura pre-cultivated for instance in a windowsill will form 10-12 leaves, before forming the first Y, whereas Daturas grown direct in the field or greenhouse-soil often will form the Y after only 4-6(7) leaves :) ... Is it the same with Brugs?
OK I don't give up too easy. I'll try this way to get the pictures on.
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Any ideas what datura they are?
Sugar_fl
1 and 2 Datura stramonium.
3 Datura inoxia or D. wrightii (inoxia = white ... wrightii = white with pale lavender margin).
4 Is it a Datura? The leaves are very elongated ... could you upload it in triple size for a closer study? *lol* It looks exciting and you got me very curious there :)
I had a peculiar Datura coming up too. It was send from A Botanical Garden in Spain this winter. The seeds looks like immature D. ferox seeds having the shape of a discolor seed. The seedling has the look of a D. stramonium and the pubescence of a D. wrightii. The Curator at the garden had is labeled in his index semina as D. meteloides *lol*
I have seen most ecovarieties of the Datura species, but it seeds/ plants like yours, the one I mention here and the variegated D. meteloides, that make these exciting to grow after 12 intensive years with these angelic trumpets :)
Tonny it is pouring here but when I can I'll take another picture of 4. If it isn't a datura it was mislabeled. I'm sure that happens when people gathers their seeds. If it is mislabeled I wonder what it is?
Sugar_fl
I put in a bed of Datura for my DIL yesterday and I noticed the seeds were a lighter color than they were last fall when I gathered them. I have only one kind and do have some from a trade but haven't opened them as yet.I have in the past just thrown the seeds on the ground in the fall to see if they would come up the next spring and they came up in poor soil. I didn't move them because I had so many without them and they were in the shade and didn't last long. I have some in pots that come back from the roots and they are up about 6 inches now. However I take the seeds and scatter them in the pots with the rooted ones and then transplant those the next year to the beds. I haven't found them to me hard to germinate at all. We do have some double purple seeds that we ordered and they haven't germinated as yet. Been in potes about a week now. The directions didn't say anything about soaking or nicking so we didn't.
Sugar_fl... none of ur hyperlinks worked for me. i use both IE and Netscape Communicator. the 1st hyperlink says it is timed out. the others do not work at all.
can u please post again? thx... ma vie
OK trying again http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=sugar_fl
The password is: datura1
that is datura "one" NOT l
didn't think about the confusion *G* Hope this works *LOL*
Sugar_fl
thanks Sugar_fl :D, it works!!! thanks again... ma vie