Seedling started blooming at 70cm height. Many buds, but almost all of them fell off. The calyx on the rest had to be opened by hand, a problem, common also in many arborea x sanguinea - hybrids.
Small, dirty creamish colored flower.
arborea x Multihybrid
Is this the impossible cross?I like the color,it looks petite,is it?
Good morning Crestedchick and Monika. I see you are up early like me. :-)
It is certainly a dainty flower Monika. Is it likely that you will try this cross again?
Joydie
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The fragrance was very sweet, arborea like. I do not plan to make a similar cross in the near future; at the moment I am hooked on colored doubles; there is lots to do.
The fragrance was very sweet, arborea like. I do not plan to make a similar cross in the near future; at the moment I am hooked on colored doubles; there is lots to do.
I was not an early bird. It was about 10 hr in the morning when I scanned the photo. Dont know exact the hours, I am ahead.
Monika,
You simply can't give up now. Ahh, the fire is lite and others will surely follow in your footsteps, but you will always be the first. I see a red double aurea x flava x Rotervulcan in the not too far off future. Come on Monika, if anyone can do it you can. Think, this is just one arborea x multihybrid. If you had 1000 of these multihybrids pollinating each and every one of the flowers long before the flower itself was mature or even thinking of coming out of the calyx one might very well stand a chance in getting those much sought after genes in a more viable working order.
Thats a good job for you, Eric. I am already excited about the first EP x Rothkirch babies having a small Y. I believe that it will be easier to get a double red by selecting for color. Quite a few hybrids have already a deep rose pink.
25 years ago, Brugmansias had just a pale pink.
Monika, how big are the EP x Rothkirch babies that have Y'd? The aurea x a. Rothkirch seeds you sent me, one Y'd at 8". I took a picture to post but my digital camera ran out of batteries. Now I have to go to the store and get some. The plant is growing fast now in a one gallon pot. The leaves are very furry.
One of them is 2m tall, the other about 1 - 1.20m. Another new x candida flore plena Tutu x flore plena Carmencita seedling had its Y last fall at a height of 1m but did not bloom anymore. It should be a double by the look of its leaves.
I am very interested to see the picture of your plant.
monika, what is different about the leaves of a double?
The leaves of a double candida are a little bit thicker and very pubescent(?) and of green to bluish-green color. This hybrid seems to be a true candida. Doubles out of Multi crosses cannot be recoignized by the leaves.
Yes, Monika...I must confess I have often wondered how pink one had to get before one had a red aurea or versicolor. Butterfly looks almost red some days to me, but you can still see a hint or orange or yellow mixed in with it.
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Yellow aurea would be the only yellow type I would personally cross to that one as I like the smaller petite flowers. Of course, I like multihybrids as well, but then it would have to be either a pink or a peach hybrid to mix. Rosabelle x Butterfy and Butterfly x Rosabelle type crosses would be my favorite though if one did not have any Rothkirch pollen to put on them...still, yellow aurea would be a must as well....perhaps Culebra as well....I gave out a very few Butterfly x Rosabelle seeds last year. Here's hoping some of them are worth while. Still, I am making more of those same crosses this year just in case. Ahh, almost forgot, yes I will be trying to cross Butterfly and just about everything to our favorite arborea.
This message was edited Tuesday, Mar 5th 2:37 PM
I have a double pastel peach colored aurea like hybrid with flowers of only 12cm length, but the strong growth of aurea. The leaves are so smooth and hairy like Velvet. The leaves are little bit glossy. I named her Doppelkornett. It looks like two aurea trumpets in one.Its about to go into the garbage can, I have not deceided yet. You have get used to such small flowers. You have to learn to like them.
Oh NO!! Another one! Eric runs his lawn mower over them and Monika trashcans them. It's a crime!
I want to order from Monika too. :( I may have to buy a summer place in Canada just so I can order her Brugs.
Gosh, I'm glad someone posted for a couple of reasons. Didn't want to see that brug go to the garbage can and the other reason is that I thought this place croaked tonight. There is very little happening and I was getting bored. Hi, Snow and Jeanne.
S.
Hi Brugie, Nope, Did'nt croak. DH put a light out in the GH and I've been out working off and on. Well, mostly looking and a little work. LOL
I'm jealous. Going to be cold here with possible snow storm again this weekend and then maybe it will straighten up so I can move out to my greenhouse. Once out there, the cooking at lunch, any housework, laundry, etc. has to wait. Jim goes to town for lunch a lot of days. Sure glad he doesn't mind. Once everything is in the ground or pots, I'll get back to normal. Started 20 kinds of tomatoes today. Getting ready to do more tropicals cuttings. Just keep busy trying to get through until spring.
Monika,
I must confess loving the smaller flowered hybrids is very easy. Its loving the bigger less fragrant hybrids that one has to learn to love for me. I just had a wonderful yellow aurea type bloom for me last night. Very velvety calyx, corolla, peduncle, and even the leaves were covered in velvet. The fragrance was to die for. I can not see wanting a large flowered hybrid over this aurea type which is so much more fragrant. Fragrance is to die for, size is for those who can see, but lack the ability to smell. I don't want none unless shes got fragrance hun....and a petite little skirt. Of course, long tendrils and a flaring skirt are a plus...especially in red.
I agree with you. Brugmansias without Fragrance are of no value to me. My nose often deceides about keeping or culling.
oh what a lady you describe Eric!!!! LOL!
Sorry guys, but I just had to bring this masterpiece back to the forefront. Now, if we could just talk Monika into creating a red multihybrid. Perhaps using Rothkirch crossed to a flava or arborea x flava x (B.aurea "Rothkirch")?
This message was edited Wednesday, Apr 17th 10:10 AM
Sometimes the impossible is only impossible because we fail to dream it possible. There is so little we really know about Brugs as each experiment brings us a bit closer. Bringing this back up to honor Monika as she has the courage to dream and try were others have failed to dream.
Thanks Brugman! isn't that a sweet flower? I wonder if it is still doing well.
You bet it is Arlene, and it still makes we wonder what other hidden possibilities are out there. It wasn't too long ago that many thought such a cross was impossible. Monika proved that it was simply a rare one that made it, but not impossible.
If we don't bust in there and act like we know what we are doing, we'll NEVER get some of those good ones! Got to take chances once in awhile, that's the way we learn, trial and error, (mine are mostly error)!
http://davesgarden.com/t/201771/
I had to link that just in case it got lost again. With that said, I think you guys in the North are going to have more luck with such a cross as say B.arborea "Ida" x "Rothkirch" or vice versa. The reason being is we can barely get Arborea to live down here and with such a small percentage of seeds even able to germinate or grow you would want them all to not die from the intensive heat we have further south. The idea is that if we could get one that actually produced pollen or was able to be pollinated that we could breed back to aurea or arborea. Or for that matter if we had two we could cross these siblings. Who knows, they might even be self fertile as are all of the Arborea.
Gloria, I agree. Personally I am up to my neck in failures with Brug x Dat crossing and selfing any not-arborea was not a lifting experince either, but the important lesson is never to give up *lol* Its good to know a lot of stuff about Brugmansia breeding, but the disadvantage is to believe in it ie. like beliving that the two groups don`t cross just because they do not usually do. Sometimes I wish I was a newbie, because then I would not have any ideas of the limitations in Brugmansia crossing and could have discovered a few things by accidents (that an educated Brugmansia specialist probably would have called silliness).
Bottomline: Its good to know, but it is better not to take any knowledge or any teacher for granted :)
Eric, Ida x RK sound like a case for Monika :) Enough space to grow out is my one and only limitation, but it is an efficient one *lol* I am more for crossing Rosie to Rosalie to select a few worth wile siblings to hybridize with.
Tonny, how is Ida doing? I still have not seen any varieties of arborea aside from sp, do you see a difference in it? Was it seed or cutting?
Hi Dennis...I have IDA...Even at a glance it looks different because of it's big dark green heart shaped leaves that kinda curl under at the edge! Its flowers are a tiniest bit shorter than my other arborea and bigger than Engelsglochken. But when compareing the corollas, in my other arborea the narrow part of the tube slopes into the wide part but in IDA there is a sudden change from narrow to wide...kinda like EP LOL if you know what i mean.
I think it's an F1 seedling? Tonny?
Yes *lol* Ida is an F-1 seedling from a cross between a seedling from Nijmegen botanical garden ( http://www-bgard.sci.kun.nl/ )in the Netherlands and a seedling recieved from Paul Hansen in Tersløse close to Dianalund and Sorø. Paul had his motherplant from a friend and there ends the parent story. If you want I can airlayer one for you :)
I will make a new thread with Ida details.
http://davesgarden.com/t/387172/
This message was edited Saturday, Jun 28th 4:11 PM