I this the society Tonny working on???????
http://home.att.net/~brugmansia/abads.html
Is this the society Tonny working on
I still want to know where the pollen bank is?
Glory
Feb 19, 2002
Barb,
No, this is the one Vicki started.
BWard i am working of this one :)
http://www.brugmansia.dk/BHGA/
and like to ad this one:
http://brugmansia.topcities.com/
as an integrated part of the first one.
We also have to have a pollen bank *lol*
I will make the link to it right away, but I will need one of you to write the conditions and how to ad info of the pollen accession numners (date received, pollen donator (the person donating to the pollen bank, not the donor plant *lol*), a description of the plant, which yielded the pollen, etc. so we can put in on our page. Here we also need a person as keeper of the pollen bank (with lots of refrigorator or freezer capacity *lol*) and an address, where we can send it ...
I could be a pollen banker...I have a huge freezer...problem being that I am also a hybridizer I might be tempted to use some of this...heck, I can guarantee any pink double or Rothkirch pollen would not be safe in my keeping. I would of course donate a percentage of the seeds back to the group that were started from this pollen or donate half the seeds from the cross to the seed bank...see...I am not the one to be trusted with pollen. Upon opening the pollen coffer you would find a note with a map...patiently explaining how the pollen grew into seeds of its own accord...then of course you would be welcome to half of the resulting seeds from those containers....the other half would be growing in the yard...of course...then these could be used for pollen as well. In all likely hood though....hence the pollen would be filled back up...but instead of seeing the original Rothkirch pollen...you would see Amber Rose x Rothkirch pollen....its a never ending cycle....
actually Eric, I think you're the one to keep the pollen! You treasure it, and therefore, you would keep it safe. I vote and nominate Eric!!
Well Tig,
The best way to keep records on pollen would be to take some out and test it on an actual pistal from time to time. Ie, we would have to make sure we were not storing pollen that was no good. I honestly have no idea how long pollen will keep for as I generally cycle mine out with fresh. Once we knew for sure that pollen could be stored for say 20 years in a freezer or for however long we could stop testing...but in the mean time one would have to keep up an initial stock to simply test each year from the same old batches of pollen. The seed created from such crosses to test the pollen could of course be donated to the seed bank....which in its turn would test a few seeds every so often to determine viability. I see an endless cycle here....as the seeds grown up could be grown to a flowering point and then pollen sent back to the pollen bank....The results would of course be shared with members of said groups...however I still don't know if we should hold all of our eggs in one bank so to speak.....
The page have been added :)
Eric, I see you as our man with the freezer *lol* The fact, that RK pollen will be a temptation for you is good, because what is the use of a pollen bank, if no one can use it for anything *lol* But you are also right, that we need a kind of tracking database to keep account for the samples added to the bank and which is taken out by who for use :)
Maybe also a note, if a particular pollen accession is about to run dry :)
I am not sure of, how to describe each accession number, but I figure it can be done as I use to describe my seed accessions, but with the slight difference, that this is pollen with an added description (or link to) of the plant it came from. I describe them as you can see here:
http://www.brugmansia.dk/
From the entry page please press the upper link left "Englsh edition". When the page opens press the lower link "Index Semina"
*lol*
Sorry, I didn`t see the last postings, while I was at updating our page and thereafter posted :)
Eric, I think it will be good, if you from time to another tested the pollen samples to establish, how long these will remain viable. I think that Kyle mentioned, that 2 months in the refrigerator, butwhen stored in a deep freezer pollen will propably have much longer duration time :)
I think Eric would be perfect for the job.
I think Eric is definitely our banker.
As pollen is most generally stored on q-tips...one can easily keep track of the numbers of and the numbers used. One can also...if one scrapes the pollen into glass vials though as some hybrids produce an over abundance of pollen....
Eric, I notified you as our curator of the pollen bank :)
I have also made some suggestions of other posts in BHGA. You will find them on the BHGA website, when you press the link "Commitee". I like to have your comments on them and if some should be re-names or if some should be added :)
We also need people, that will like to posess them *lol*
The posts I have suggested for each of our three geographical divisions are:
President, Vice President, Curator of Seed Collections, Curator of Pollen Bank, Cashier and Official Spokesman ... and we need some from both the USA, Canadian and European division of our association for the posts :)
Tonny, not sure if you are wanting nominees, but I'd like to nominate you as President of the whole entire thing, cause you do need one head with 3 branches (jmo) and also to nominate you as president of the European group. I'd also like to nominate Liz and Jeanne as the Canadian everythings.
I agree with Tig on this one.
I agree too with TiG.
I agree with tiG, too.
Me too......
I don't want to throw a wrench in any plans ... but don't you think it would be easier to have everything in one central place? I mean like seeds, pollen, & the money. It's good to have everyone involved but I'm just thinking of it from the average "Joe member" point of view. Somebody who would want to join would have to send money one place, ask for seeds from another, and pollen from even another? Would you have to send money for seeds to the treasurer to get seeds from the seed banker? Isn't that kinda confusing?
well, that's a good point. What if there were one contact person for every group? they would deal with the mail, and then in turn contact whoever needed to send something or whatever? There still need to be the three groups though, wouldn't you think, as the different countries have different requirements?
it seems there should be pollen and seed banks in all three places, they could coordinate between countries as needed. seed seem to travel much quicker within a country than between. otherwise, i agree one set of officers should be plenty. Tonny is a take charge get things done kinda guy. probably need to decide if pollen and seeds are kept by separate people, would probably be simpler if separate people did pollen and seeds.
I can't do seeds and pollen. I don't mind doing just pollen and I don't mind someone else contacting me to tell me when and where to ship pollen to as long as shipping is reimbursed as one can quickly run up a bill when sending out even something as simple as pollen to members. It is my theory that pollen should be both to preserve a hybrids genes if it can indeed be stored for extended periods of time so we don't lose valuable hybridizing stock, but it must also be available for use to our members to a certain extent. I don't think we should let a particular type of pollen or hybrids pollen get completly empty. Perhaps sending out only the oldest pollen so as to keep fresh pollen and a few older stocks of pollen for documenting whether it is still viable after 1 year, 2years, etc. This will be valuable information. Still, I think Tonny is our take charge guy who gets things done as Arlene says. If someone else can take care of both seeds and pollen that is fine by me as well. We just need to do something. Even if all we have is a few pollen and seed banks backed by Tonny's web creating skills and a treasurer who can allocate funds once provided with receipts of actual expenses...I don't know, I just ramble a lot....I can and will donate seeds and pollen though if something changes. Of course, the easy way might be to simply send postage and container that you wish for pollen to be shipped to you in. In this way, the pollen banker so to speak keeps hands completly free from any money....
This message was edited Wednesday, Feb 20th 11:08 AM
I think someone taking charge of it all is asking to much of one person.They won't have time to have a life!
I agree it's too much to put on one person - and there should be different officers per country. Maybe each officer could deal with the funds for their own purpose. What I mean is ... if someone wanted to get pollen from Eric ...shouldn't they send the request, money and/or postage to Eric? I'd think Eric is bright enough to handle any money that would be involved with the pollen. I spose it depends if there will be a charge for seeds & pollen. I think it should cost something. - you can't just mail out free seeds or pollen to any members that asks for them. Maybe a buck or 2 per pollen swab and then Eric could use that money for his postage & shipping supplies. Any left over money could be turned over to the treasurer for other purposes.
I found that when people sent me pre-addressed labels and stamps instead of cash, that it was much easier to mail things out. It isn't hard to insert a label and stamps into a bubble envelope and mail out and then all the person has to do is paste them on, put the pollen or seeds inside and send the same envelope back to the person wanting the product. I'm also wondering if those little tubes that florist use might be good for sending pollen in. They have a cap on them that might have to be sealed where the flower stem is inserted, but they sure would be good otherwise for mailing purposes. They cost me 10 cents each and would be reusable many times. Just something to think about....
I agree Ms. Brugie, and i think that's what brugman meant. if he's gonna be the first pollen banker i think he should impact the rules and sase is certainly the easiest.
Jeanne and Liz,
Let me know, if there is anything I can do to make you interested in running the Canadian dept. :)
I thought much of a logo for our website. Since we are one association with three geographical depts. I thought of a triangle (a point for USA, CANADA and Europe) and in the middle of the triangle a partly unfolded Brug flower "in face" (image or drawing from position´, where you can look past the margin and inside the flower ... like a fivepointed star *lol*). The Brug-star represent the entire association ... us all :)
Poppysue, Brugie,
This will be a great way to do it :)
I also thought of it this way :)
It takes to be a member to draw seeds or pollen out of the bank. To be a member takes only to contact our cashier (purse) and pay a fee for annual membership and among other goods, get access to use the pollen and seed bank. If a member - say - will draw a sample of B. x insignis "Frosty Pink" out of the pollen bank, the member contact the cashier and request the sample and pay a little fee to cover for the expenses. When the payment is registred, the chasier forward the request to the pollen banker, who mail the sample to the member. At - say - the end of each month the pollen banker e-mail his exspenses to the chashier and get full refund :)
It sounds a bit complicated, but it helps keeping track of both fee`s and pollen/ seed transactions by directing all transactions from one place :)
This message was edited Wednesday, Feb 20th 8:04 PM
I'm waiting for Jeanne's answer. Off the track a bit - would someone be able to get the specialty seeds and pollen for the same rate as the more common ones? Will there be a brug hierarchy and a set number of times someone can make a withdrawal from the banks?
Well we all know about wanting to zoom to the head of the brug lineup. I'm as guilty as the next person. But if you lay out a smorgasbord of elite brugs, those are the first that will be drawn - it's human nature. You might run up against a few people who are sitting with one suaveolens white cutting wanting arborea pollen. Now we know that won't work in more ways than one. People who have never grown a brug wanting the newest and the best. People wanting one of everything in the banks. Just playing the devil's advocate here ~~
Liz, good question. that's one thing, i don't think there will be a lot of requests for FP pollen or seeds, with most everybody having this anyway.
Also i don't think this should take the place of people trading seeds or trading for pollen, which in a lot of cases would just be simpler.
i also think it would be much easier for people to request the seeds from brugman, maybe a copy to someone, but send him the sase and equipment. almost all the time people will know when they are going to have blooms, and plenty of time to arrange in advance, even if it sits in their fridge for a couple of weeks. would be so much easier on Brugman. he could just mark what he sent on the envelops and stack them up for his recording. don't want him to be out of the field too much. it's a lot easier just to open an envelop, stick the packet in and put it back in the mail box i think. anyway, i am sure brugman can work out those details.
gotta be a hierarchy on seeds, we all want the new models.
Perhaps a good idea would be to sell the more common and/or unknown crosses of seeds off the website to nonmembers.
To be truthful, i am going to use all my best pollen and if i can't i'll then bank it if none of my friends is in need anyway.
More information of annual fee and fee for obtaining pollen and seeds from the banks would be nice.
Liz and Jeanne, thanks for taking care for the Canadian end of BHGA :) I will update our website with the info.
Arlene, Brugcrazy and Liz,
There should be some sort of rules regarding seeds, pollen, experience. But I like suggestions from you, how to do this :)
However I still feel the best will be to run all requests through the cashier. First of all to prevent chaos of who send what to who and what do we have left in our banks ... next also to assure, that the bankers are lifted from the obligation of demanding the fee for mailing the samples.
It sounds complicated, but in this way the association will always know exactly, what comes in and went out (both income and exspenses + in and out of the banks).
It will be good with both a hierarchy and a set number of times, that a person can draw out of the seed and pollen bakns. As I know, that many of use are planning carefully the exact crosses, that we will carry out, it will be no problem. Each will, according to his or her plans make a list of the pollen and seeds required and this should be it. For the seed bank I trust, that this will work, but I am not sure of the pollen bank. The problem here could be, that you want to pollinate three Brug hybrids this year, but these open at different timet during the year ... However, the problem can be solved by drawing all the needed pollen out of the bank and store it in the fridge, until it is time for using it :) I hope you can tell me, how many accesses a member can be granted pr. year?
I still like our association to be non-profit, but also like, that the exspenses, that we have gets covered. This is, why I think in terms of membership fee`s and fee`s for drawing out of the seed / pollen banks :) Maybe we should also ad a small symbolic fee for taking new hybrids into our official registry :) I don`t have the eagels view of what expenses we will run into yet, but if you have any ideas, what the different fee`s should be, I like you to put forward your suggestions ... ?