LBJ website? It seems that many of the Brugs have been eliminated including the dbl. pink. Hmm. Strange
Has anyone checked
including a lot!!!
I hope there are tests that back that up, it will ruin the cultivars reputation
This message was edited Saturday, Feb 9th 7:42 AM
The double pink hasn't been eliminated, just won't be released until further notice. I saw brugs there that have been eliminated that weren't even on the site a month ago. Yes, strange.....
very strange Brugie. Makes you wonder....
Pete posted a picture of his Whiskers. Looked like a nice healthy plant to me.
My Whiskers looks great. Not a single spot on any of the leaves.
If I don't get a Whiskers, I'll just curl up on the couch and not talk to anybody for like two or three days --- no, I probably wouldn't do that but I do believe Whiskers is one more great brug, and I can't wait to get one.
Aurea brugs tend to get Virus more readily than some others.
What is this LBJ site??????????????
It's LeBon Jardinier
LeBonJardinier.com it's Vicki Hardings site. bone of contention to many of us.
LOL. I like that phrase tiG.
she has quite a few brugs that i dont remember seeing listed before, very strange.
as far as whiskers, thats odd that she would say it was virus prone..it came from her. not to mention, ive never heard it called "my love" before. has anyone else?
although the one i have is small, its healthy, no signs of any virus.
Roz, now girl, i cant possibly imagine YOU not talking for 2 or 3 days, lol...did i miss seeing you coming through the field? is that what the ruffling in the weeds was?
jen
I don't understand why she would post a cultivar that she was not selling to simply say it was being removed because it was virus prone....Why even tell anyone you were considering it for sale? I must confess that I admire culling for healthier Brugmansia, healthier growers, earlier more prolific bloomers, etc. I am leaving the above questions as I think they are still valid.
This message was edited Friday, Feb 8th 1:44 PM
maybe cause she grew the seed that whiskers came from? can't imagine her being mad at glory. she also took off some of kyle's, JY and another i can't think of right now...but i've been looking at that site for 1 1/2 years, know i never saw whiskers there before.....
It says at the top of the list
"We have chosen to eliminate several Brugmansia from our list for reasons such as:
*susceptibility to viruses,
*poor flowering and/or poor growth habits,
*too similar to other cvs,
*or we simply choose to no longer offer that particular cv."
That doesn't mean they're all virus prone. She does remark about some of the cultivars that are more susceptible. I see the flava "lilac" won't be available.
This message was edited Friday, Feb 8th 1:40 PM
I sent my order in December. Many of them are no longer available ... I guess that means I won't get them?
poppysue, you might want to start emailing her now!!!! you too ms brugie.....
I think the only one that I might not get would be the double pink. Seems that I chose some of the good ones. That is a miracle, from someone that doesn't know one variety from another.. :-) Maybe I'll be lucky and get the double pink since I ordered last September. Remember the one night on here I asked if she would have it and she said that she would. Will just wait and see.
S.
If yall remember Vickie wrote that many of her own brugs became infected from the other cultivars she imported. Perhaps these are some of the ones that the virus spilled over to...as for the varieties from India...if my memory serves me correctly those are NOT EVEN ALLOWED into the U.S. according to that APHIS thingy she posted.
Joydie
I looked at her specimen many times since I got the internet. Yesterday I spend two hours reading, re-reading to see, if I could establish a pattern. It would be natural to eliminate brugs from the reason she gives. I would too. But what trick me is, that she post several (exterminated) hybrids not previously listed. However I remember seeing aurea "Cassie" postet among the many pages containing pictures on the "Happy Brugmanía"-site two days before posting it on the LBJ site. If there are a key to this, I sure don`t know, where to look to find it
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Okay, I have edited this post as I may have jumped the gun on this one. I am sure she must have some valid reason for doing what she has done and anyone else would remove hybrids from their collection. Heck, I am the worst one for culling named hybrids. I apologize for jumping into this one. Lets just all try to put this behind us and get back to growing and hybridizing.
This message was edited Friday, Feb 8th 1:38 PM
Glory
Feb 09, 2002
Of all the Brugs I grow Ron(DH) only knows which ones are Whiskers. LOL
Let me add what I think has happened. It appears that Vicki is updating her website for the Spring. I admire her for eliminating brugs for the reasons that she stated. I feel that she started updating and adding new brugs - maybe from a list from her grower in Calif. She could have gotten this list last fall. I must say, I really don't know how all this works - I am just guessing. While in the process of updating, she quite possibly could have received a new list list from Calif. for the Spring that stated they were having trouble with some of the new ones and were pulling them. Now Vicki has all this new information posted and maybe doesn't have the time to completely remove items and realign her website, so she just goes and puts eliminated by them. This would serve the purpose until she gets back to completely removing them. This is all an assumption on my part, but it somehow makes sense to me.
BN, vicki spent december updating her brug care/pic site, the wall paper is new on LBJ site, and if you ask me a click on the delete key is faster. Since Glory started it from seed, i am not sure vicki even had whiskers, and we do know she had a terrible virus problem and lost plants and has had multiple other tragic events. maybe her mission is to warn others of others she thinks carry viruses. Would love to know what Bward thinks about this!
What I don't get is that with all her concern for virus,she is still carring Sanguinea"Sangre" and Candida"Tutu" which, we've all been told ,by many sources, that Sanguinea are prone to virus, and Pressils book states about Tutu "Unfortunatly ,many of the plants of this variety, in collections, are diseased with a virus" Maybe shes getting the virus from her own plants and they are so healthy she doesent realize which are the carriers of the virus.I find it hard to beleive plants that are known virus carriers are still being carried and others are blamed for the virus problem and being dropped......
Glory
Feb 09, 2002
Vicki did have a Whiskers because I sent it to her after Whiskers bloomed the first time. No matter what the reason I will always keep my Whiskers...he/she's my baby. LOL
Glory, he/she is a beautiful baby, and i am sure if hers is infected it was because of her terrible virus problem.
CC, great point! you're thinking and i like that.
we have to remember what Monika said. there is no way to keep an outside grown brug from getting a virus. There are no guarantees!!
BBB...guys!
"eyes"
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Glory, Your Whiskers cutting is doing very well. Slow growing but that is probably due to homesickness for that nice warm MS climate. LOL. It has grown several small shoots off of the cutting and there is no sign of desease.
Can't wait till I can put it outside and watch it really take off growing.
tiG, that was exactly, why I was angry with Vicki for blaming an un-named European grower for bringing virus into her stock and continue to "crusade" against European Brugs in general.
This is out of proportions. European Brugs can be virus prone or actually have a virus. The same is true of Brugs breed in the US (before entry of any European produced plants, it is).
When I was collecting signatures to protest against APHIS enforcement of Jan. 22. 2002 I also - in an official e-mail - put stress under the fact, that virus protection is a common responsibillity, not only the producer`s or the buyer in the other end of that chain.
The fact, that Brug imports is quarantained for 24 months will make no differences in the long run.
The US Goverment could for that matter quarantain them for twentysix years, but why?
Viruses was, is and still will be present in the US ...
I know, that this is a sad prognosis and again as in many other cases I hope, that any of you can prove me wrong on this.
Alternatively, Brugs can be bread to be more virus tolerant, but it means, that they have and can spread virus, without self being affected by it.
Another alternative is, that all Brugs (entirely all plants of all genuses sold, exchanged etc.) was meristem propagated to ensure virus free materials from the producer, but what, when this promising materials reach the end of the chain ... the Jones`s or Smith`s backgardens?
To the last question you could say, that the fictional and illustrative "Jones`s or Smith`s backgardens" could stop their trading with friends and neighbours.
I agree fully ... but their Brugs could be infected by an insect traveing miles after being on an infected plant and from here infect other stock in within miles.
Another answer would be, that the fictional and illustrative "Jones`s or Smith`s backgardens" could grow them in an isolated greenhouse with fleeanets and all precautions, but is this realistic in the long run?
Monika, Eric, Kyle, - you have grown and hybridized Brugs for so long and I hope, that you can ad with a more optimistic prognosis, because I need it badly.
btw. Though Vicki and I disagree on one major point she still have my respect as a person, even if this was difficult to stick to at some occations.
Seen in the unbearable light of the hintsight, her reactions in DG may have resulted from the stress, she was going through, as her Brugs went down one by one. To deem from the LBJ website, Brugs were and hopefully will be her major income.
Also what she have done for international the Brug community through times must either not be forgotten.
To me, the disputes in here was never the question of choosing side or making excuses, because I was here too, when all hell broke loose and, for what it is worth, added mine to it. Maybe I am too European, but I believe in disputes in this way: One must be ready to step up in that ring and give it the best you have in you. But you also must have the abillity to know, when you are out of that ring.
Inside the ring, there is an opponent and the fight at times get dirty.
Outside there is just people, that easily could have been any of us ....
This message was edited Saturday, Feb 9th 3:56 PM
There is no hope. Virus is part of the natural envoirment.
My Dr. friend told me once during a discussion: I should not see what the Virus is doing with a plant but what the plant is doing with the Virus. The answer he gave me right afterwards: Breed for Virus tolerance! The other way would be: meristem propagation and to keep Brugs as annuals. This is Dr. Preissels advice.
The other way is not possible yet; vaccination! Vaccinated plants can be carriers of Virus and therefore infectous to other plants.
Monika,
Do you have any pictures of a brug with visible virus? I would love to know what to look for. I know, by the time I would see it, it would be too late. Sounds like a no win situation.