Candida species x Butterfly and other crosses sprouting. Now that I have your attention. The bad news, 3 trays are unlabeled. Hence, I am debating simply growing them all up and picking out the few that bloom this year and tossing the rest. Kyle, should I simply back cross one seedling from each tray to determine which tray has double seedlings or should I cross more. How many should I grow up from that back cross? Do you think 400 would be enough? Or would it be better to cross two seedlings from each tray together and if it were done that way how many seedlings would I have to grow up? I am assuming that crossing Candida species x Butterfly (Candida species x Butterfly) would produce a few doubles and a few pinks if done in large enough numbers. Is 400 even a worthwhile number or would it be better to grow 1000+ from the next generation? As I have never attempted to create a double in any color your input is highly valued. I have always heard creating a double in color is extremely hard, after reading some of your posts I am trully wishing to do this all the more. If 1000 is not enough I may have to revamp what I had planned on hybridizing and simply grow just doubles x pinks and give away all of my aurea seeds from here on out until I get what I am after.
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what are the possible crosses of the 3 unmarked trays?
ERIC,
TOSSING SPROUTS? I SUGGEST YOU KEEP GROWING THEM UNTIL THEY ARE A LITTLE BIGGER AND SELL THEM 2 FOR A BUCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PLEASE DON'T TOSS THEM OUT. WHAT DO OTHER PEOPLE THINK?
JOYDIE
i live about an hour from eric, been there, done that. some people don't have the patience for ebay selling, like me. would like to know what they are, think there are a couple of people here with the land and tools who would grow them and see how they turn out. don't know how many more i could afford fertilizer for. or if i could get the DB over here with his tractor.
No, I don't plan on tossing these sprouts Joydie. I may toss seed as I have found that seeds are a lot lighter and cheaper to send then seedlings. I sent out several hundred seedlings last year and the year before and well over 12,000 seeds. I wish I could germinate them all and grow them all, but in reality I do good just to germinate a few thousand and then select the leaf patterns I like to grow up that first year. Arlene, you know darn well I am not going to get rid of double hybrids as I can always grow them up and cross them to either parent or to each other. Just trying to see how many seedlings I need to create from this forthcoming generation to make it worth while. Of course I would like to cross all of them to Butterfly or Rosabella and then cross these to each other in hopes of getting a few pinks....Still, I don't have any experience in this matter and would like some guidance from the two hybridizers we have hear that have actually created doubles.
so brugman, what are the possibilities of the crosses in those 3 trays that you don't know what they are? btw, you've seen my brain in action, lol, sometimes you have to tell me twice or so....
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Brugmansia I have only gotten double whites from crosses I have done.I tried in vain for several years to get a double pink,or a double orange..well the guys in Europe beat us to both of these.Candidas still tend to throw mostly whites and a few colored singles. Very few doubles. seems the double flowers may be a recessive gene. Where do you grow all these plants??You own Florida??LOLI thought I grew a lot with just about 300 seedlings.You might try a candida to a versicolor and then cross these back to the candida.Pick out only the colored offspring for the backcross.
I have a bud on candida white, but alas, no versicolor with buds and I didn't know about saving pollen when the EP was blooming.
Eclipse, have you done any crossing with culebra? Can't wait to see what brugman comes up with from that. well, maybe me too know that i think about it, but i think he already has pods on him, mine should have but i think i messed up!
Arlene, The combinations one can do with just three crosses are using 72 seeds per seed tray are phenomenal. I will leave that math to someone else. Not to mention simply changing on hybrid from being a seed bearer to a pollen donor.
Eclipse, I don't grow them all up to maturity. I simply try to germinate between 4000-12000 seeds each year and then I select out the ones I like based on leaf characteristics. I only grow to maturity 5-600 and the rest I generally cull or give away. I plant my Brugmansia in rows like corn as I have this theory about survival of the fittest and such and then I only keep those that bloom in the first year and are also in color. I know this is not the best method by far and its sure not a way to have the prettiest flower, but I figure that there has to be an oddball in every group...and yes...the guys and gals in Europe did beat us to the doubles in color, but thats no reason for us not to try. If we can use their hybrids to help us all the better. Think how easy it would be to create a double pink if one had to different double pinks from which to work with in comparison to working with Candida species. I personally would love to see a double pink aurea or a double pink suaveolens with Culebra leaves....varigated might be an added plus....I'm dreaming of a Double pink aurea x arborea with varigated Culebra leaves and a france so intoxicating that a single flower overwhelms 250 roses.
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But out of your growing method Eric comes only the best of the best.
Brugman, that makes perfect sense to me, especially if you are going for happy, healthy, fast growing & flowering brugs. i don't speak very well, i was just trying to see if you knew what the 3 trays that are unmarked might be, or just completely didn't know. i do know that they have pink aurea dads, right?
Candida species x Butterfly (2 seed pods)and Butterfly x Rosabelle. First hybrid listed being the seed bearer. I believe I gave you some of one of these crosses if memory serves me. I am not really worried about it as I plan on making a few hundred Butterfly x Rosabelle crosses this year even if only to give away as Eclipse has me started on this Double kick and Culebra kick. If I can get just one seedpod on my HG crossed to Butterfly or Rosabelle I will be just peaches though. My wife pulled all of my labels out of my plants and started in on my seed trays after Cala's scare. Luckily she did not get to Monika's seeds and I have her Double seeds still labeled. All of Tigs hybrids are now unnamed though and hence I can only set seeds with them and give credit to Tig and not the individual hybrid as I have not seen many of these bloom. Yes, it is very frustrating at times.
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Brugman,
The seeds from the European hybrid crosses from LBJ are huge and very dark in color. Are the really HUGE seeds crossed with arborea? Does anyone know the species of any of the crosses that were made? I would like to know what sort of plants I might get. I'm not familiar yet with what the leaves look like although I do have Preisell's description of the flowers.
Joydie
The seeds from LBJ European hybrids will have some with velvety leaves, some serrated, some not. I have a few plants which will bloom soon from those seeds that I planted last Spring. I also have buds on some of the other seeds I got from them labelled LBJ hybrids. I will post pictures when they flower. BTW, I posted pictures in the fall of one of the European Hybrids from LBJ that had really strange leaves. It's doing ok, but the slugs seem to love it.
Brugcrazy,
Oh thanks for the information. Does LBJ stand for LeBonJardinere? LOL everyone and these short forms, I still trying to figure them out. The ones with the velvety leaves what group do they fall under? Can you also tell me what the ones are with the serrated edges? I'm trying to learn about this leaf identification thing as well.
I will look forward to seeing pictures of your blooms. It will be exciting to see.
Joydie
I have seeds to give away. B. candida, seeds of Goldtraum an a yellow flowering B. suaveolens ( results are unknown one parent is unknown).
Monika, I would love some of your seeds if it's still allowable to send them to us.
Monika - I'd love some seeds. I'll email you directly.
Eric, I think you mean Glorias hybrids, right?
AS always I am too late. Candida hybrids would have been nice, but I feel lucky to have any of your hybrids and will continue to work with the aurea's and hybrids of aurea's.
Tig, yes, please slap me-Gloria's hybrids. I have many but none of them are named anymore and hence any crosses I make with them I will simply have to label as Gloria's x Butterfly or what have you. I could post pictures of both plants though that made the cross thanks to Cala though. If my wife had not of over reacted to Cala's earlier post I may actually of still had some Brugmansia with labels. Ahh,life is grand. At least I know they all have aurea in them.
at least she only got the tags and not the plants :)
Eric, I feel really bad about that. It just scared me so badly and I probably overreacted too.
Monica, If you have a few seeds left I would like some and would greatly appreciate it.
Monika, I would love to grow a few of your seeds if there are any left. This is a most generous offer and I consider it an honor to grow them.
Jean
Seeds can be send into the US only with a phytosanitary Certificate. I am sorry, I did not know. I do not want any of you come into trouble.
Monika,
That is disappointing, but we must abide by the rules. It was so generous of you to want to include us by allowing us to participate in germinating some of your seeds and I want to thank you for that.
Monika,
I for one would be honoured to grow some of your seeds you would like to generously donate. I'm in Canada and can import the brug seeds legally as I have a permit. I will pay you for the phytocertificate and postage costs. Let me know how much it will be and what currency you accept.
Joydie
Thank goodness for you Joydie as at least now we will have some top notch hybrid seedlings in our midst and its only a stones throw away for some pollen to be shipped this way.
Eric,
Toss seeds this way puhleez, would like to try more of your crosses.
Now you will have to tell me how to save pollen. Yesterday I took the time to go through lots of postings here and do a "Cut and Paste" of information on crosses and saved them in a file. I then did the same with information regarding disinfecting seeds and other sorts of things too.
Now as for this pollen saving business. Do I need to sterilize the containers? Does the pollen need to be protected from the light? How long is the pollen good for in terms of viability? Go from there are tell me exactly what to do so I can again "Cut and Paste" the information into a file.
I'll start saving little containers, sterilize them and seal them in a big plastic freezer baggie for later use. Maybe I can ask my future son-in-law who is a graphic designer with Black's Photography if he can start saving me those black plastic film canisters...
Joydie
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