Virus symptoms - Photo 2

This photo is 'Solid Gold' - looks like mottled leaves to me. I have several solid gold cuttings and all the leaves are pale and many look mottled.

Destroy? Isolate? or quit worrying?

PS, are they in a greenhouse? This is what i would do, but i am not an expert and thought i might have a virus that brugman told me wasn't!! they may be tired of winter. now, i am not saying to do this, this is what i would do: Pick off icky leaves. Give the plants a nice bath/shower with some kind of mild detergent, maybe a dilute dog shampoo for fleas, and fertilize with a liquid fertilizer, bloombooster type 15-50-15 or something like that if you have it, or any kind that's liquid.
that is what i would do, i am sure someone will have better advice. but please do not panic.

My plants are all in the house ... under lights and I'm thinking they're most likely stressed. Therefore showing symptoms that wouldn't show up on large heathly plants. I know that brugs can live with certain viruses and not show much for symptoms. I just don't wnat risk the healthy plants I have... which seems to be getting fewer and fewer.

i think you are right, winter stress....

poppysue, you may also think about using one of the b vitamin/rooting compound formulas, give them a vitamin boost.

Poppysue, I would say, Calm down. The brugs that are most susceptible to virus are b. sanguinea and b. vulcanicola. Check your stems for brown spots. You only have to isolate them 10 feet away, by law in the US. I think they are stressed because of winter, feed them and before you throw them away, try and root them. Priessel says, a plant with a virus will not root. And I think the leaves of x candida doubles can look a bit mottley. I know that safers and Endall will damage the leaves. Hope this helps.

I am amazed that no one liked my idea of washing with flea soap!lol! PS, i am sure it is winter stress, they'll be fine.

actually arlene, I thought you'd had a bit too much coffee!! LOL!! did wonder what it would really do though:)

Poppysue,

My Whiskers has leaves that look just like yours. I was just thinking that maybe since they are getting ready to put on spring growth that mine just needed more light and a good shot of fertilizer. Mine are under grow lights too, but only those cheap ones. I've moved one of them to high light and will see if it will make a difference. Right now, I'm not getting worried. Nothing on the stems yet. Hang in there, you aren't alone. Arlene's idea of the Vitamin B meds is good too. I'll to that to mine this afternoon.

S.

I have some people vitamin B. if I crushed and dissolved it can I use it on my babies?

Better ask Cala or Eric on that one. I'm not faithful on using the stuff, but I should especially do it in the winter when they are stressed.

tig, you have that schulzter transplant stuff don't you? can't remember which b vitamins it has. actually, i may try that dog flea stuff sometime, is made with the mum stuff...p word.... i did use tea tree oil shampoo on my VPX in water with the pods (now harvested). maybe it will make a genetic change in the seeds? i think i haven't had enough coffee, actually....better go get some and wake up. just feel silly today.

no I don't have that, but will pick some up tomorrow.

Arlene, actually the flea shampoo is a good idea, just don't make it too strong. It contains pyrethrum. B vitamins probably won't hurt, don't know how much good it will do.
I have a couple of Cypress Gardens, they got to looking funny like that, I gave them fertilize, moved them where it was warm and bright, and the new leaves look much better. There is a thread by arianna that looks more like a virus. Here are some common viruses http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=plant-protection.massey.ac.nz/171_284/cs_notes/learnpst/module11/vexamp.jpg&imgrefurl=http://plant-protection.massey.ac.nz/171_284/cs_notes/learnpst/module11/virusmn.htm&h=388&w=494&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dplant%2Bviruses%26start%3D100%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

This is the picture of TMV that convinced me the dble candida had it. http://www.apsnet.org/education/feature/TMV/Images/tobac30.jpg The leaves looked just like that. My pictures don't show well but it looks to me like these are starting show the same symptoms. I've moved them all away from my other plants for now.

Good information here. Those tomatoes were pretty ugly. I had that problem years ago. I didn't know what it was though. Thanks Cala for helping us all with our brug problems.

Speaking of tomatoes... My neighbor grows a few dozen tomatoes every year. I'm convinced he has a tomato virus and his plants end up brown and dead before the season is over every single year. They start out looking wonderful. By mid summer leaves are yellow blotched and nasty looking. By harvest time the plants are practicly dead. Of course he could care less because he gets lots of nice red tomatoes from them. My theory is the dying plants cause the fruit to ripen quickly. I'm wondering if he's got diseased tomatoes in his yard ... are my brugs gonna constantly be at risk? Of course there's more than the absurd 10 feet between them. My neighbor & I seem to share a lot of diseases ;-) We both have some sort of fungus thing on our apple trees, and we both have a disease on our grape vines. It's kind of funny ... but it's not.

Poppysue, do you have cedar apple rust? You can spray for it. I will have to search on the grape vines. We used to raise concords and there are lots of vineyards around here.
His tomatoes probably have a virus and by planting the same kind in the same spot every year, he is only making it worse. Viruses have to be mechanicaly spread either by insects, human hands or tools. Be sure to keep the leaf hoppers, aphids and thrips under control, wash your hands after sneaking across the fence and picking tomatoes and don't let your neighbor borrow your garden tools!! (I'm just funning with you Poppysue, don't take that last statement too seriously)

The apple rust sounds like it. I've looked up the grape disease before. They shrivel up like raisins before they'll ripen. I've decided a spraying program wouldn't do me a lot of good if he's gonna have diseased plants right nextdoor. I'm not ready to give up on the brugs. All this disease worry has got me thinking I may have to stick with hybrids that are especially resistant. It could be a good thing... right? At least it forces me into realizing I can't grow them all ;-)

Poppysue
Here is a link for the grape diseases.http://www.canr.msu.edu/vanburen/e-1732.htm

quit worrying.Needs a week of good sunshine.

I agree with G2S...it's amazing what one week of nice weather will do for those Brugs.