I'm looking at Dominion Seed House (Ontario seed and plant supplier) catalogue. They start shipment of Brugs in April and unfortunately they have only 2 Brugmansia-
1. Brugmansia X candida [picture in Dominion's catalogue shows a white flower with a delicately soft pink edge, huge trumpet with no recurving or spurs, but soft green veining in interior](hybrid of B. aurea and B. versicolor according to Priessel's book)
Priessel writes in chart on page 76 that B. Candida can cross with
a) B. aurea etc.
Edited...see explanation below in another post....
Or they can be crossed with a hybrid from B. insignis X B. suaveolens to produce a multihybrid with characteristics of four different species (Priessel page 57). These crosses produce viable seed capable of germination.
2. Brugmansia suaveolens 'Variegata' {picture in catalogue shows stark white flower, pale greenish yellow throat, spurs and shorter trumpet, white margined leaves with white veins](I'm guessing this was a naturally created sport, someone may know-perhaps Brugman or Glory). In Priessel's chart seeds of B. suaveolens are also capable of crosses producing germinatinating seeds with the above mentioned plants.
Any suggestions for crosses that might produce more colourful flowers with either of these Bugmansia? Also I hope to hybridize the Variegata variety to continue to seek variegated leafed plants. I know Eric you have done lots of crosses with volcanicola and arborea and would have a good idea about recessive and dominant traits. I'm not sure which crosses Calalily and Glory have had success with, but would love some input.
I know I can order Brugs from Liz and Brugcrazy in Vancouver so I would like some idea of what I should consider ordering from either of them.
Joydie
This message was edited Friday, Jan 18th 7:45 PM
Brugman, Calalily, TiG or Glory
LOL!! thanks for including me, but I'm as much a beginner as anyone. Will wait with you for the answer though, want some sweet tea?
Joydie I think you're looking at the book wrong. Maybe looking at x flava underneath it? maybe I'm wrong but this is how I understand it....
Brugmansia x candida will cross with b.aurea, b. x candida, b.isignis, b.suaveolens and b.versicolor. At least that's what my book says. I believe all of these species will cross with each other and the hybrids from them.
Brugmasia sanguinea, b. x flava, b. vulvanicola, b. arborea, and hybrids from them would all cross with each other.
Joydie,
I'm not to much more advanced then tiG but here goes.
I grew a seed that Vicki Harding sent me that was a cross with Aurea Gold x Charles Grimaldi....to make a long story short I named him/her Whiskers. I then crossed Whiskers with another Charles Grimaldi and got a couple of different looking plants from one seed pod. I don't know if you want to call this beginners luck or what. I have just picked a pod off the original Whiskers and plan on starting a few of the seeds just to see what pops up....I think the cross of this one is Whiskers x Milk and Honey....but not 100% sure. I'm sure Brugman will be along shortly and he can go into great detail for you.
Eric's notes:
"Brugmansia species can be placed into two groups based on their ability to cross. Sanguinea, vulcanicola, and arborea will cross among each other, while aurea, suaveolens, and versicolor form the second set of species
that can successfully pollinate each-other. Hybrids produced from these groups (x flava, x candida, x insignis, etc.) are expected to fall into their appropriate category.
Aurea will cross with versicolor,suaveolens,insignis,candida and any combination there of. Candida species will cross with any of the above combinations. Merhfacht type hybrids are simply aurea x suaveolens x versicolor crosses. Culebra is simply an aurea or candida type hybrid.
arborea is the only Brugmansia that will self seed and have viable seeds."
OH Tonny - we can dream about a double orange vulcanicola ~~
Tig,
thanks for clearing that up because the German to English translation is confusing when he says, "only OCCASIONALLY produced seeds capable of germination" giving one the impression that seeds MAY be produced, BUT not necessarily germinate.
Sorry, I'm such a flipping linguistics freak. Language and how its used sometimes throws me for a spin.
Joydie
This message was edited Friday, Jan 18th 7:58 PM
Any combination between aurea,suaveolens,insignis,versicolor, and candida is possible. Germination rates are high even when dealing with aurea x suaveolens x versicolor hybrids crossed to other merfacht hybrids or any of the above mentioned species.
I have not made any successful arborea, vulcanicola, flava, sanguinea type crosses...but that does not keep me from trying. From the way I understand it arborea, vulcanicola, sanguinea, flava can all be crossed to each other. I have had seedpods start using arborea pollen on some of my hybrids; unfortunately, they never developed fully...
As for varigated hybrids...I haven't really been interested in creating varigated hybrids as I find that many plants with varigation have inferior rooting and growth characteristics compared to their non varigated companions. Perhaps many of you who are attempting to hybridize for varigation may prove me wrong on this. I certainly hope you do as my dw loves varigated plants. I have talked with other hybridizers who have worked with varigated hybrids and from what they tell me a varigated crossed to another varigated will form albino seedlings with a higher percentage of 3 cotelydon seedlings.As for mixed hybrid seedlings, I find that while mixed seedlings often don't fall into any clear cut category, one does find that crossing a mixed hybrid to a species often results in some hybrids that fall into that species. In other words, a candida crossed to a versicolor will give you versicolors, candida's, and a few that fall somewhere inbetween. The versicolor calyx may or may not be present clearly with its long single split, but one will most certainly see a longer calyx with teeth if nothing else from the versicolor hybrid. One often finds that the long versicolor calyx with its single split may have a very tiny minute split near the front where it is longest and hangs down the furthest on the flower corolla. I have also noticed that the width of the opening of the calyx with interspecies crosses often varies significantly. In short, I think many of these traits are composed of more than a single set of genes and hence some hybrids can not be clearly placed into any category with any certainty.
This message was edited Saturday, Jan 19th 10:53 AM
Brugmansia,
I'm going to print this and put your information in my Brugmansia Garden Journal along with some other good notes that you have posted. Your information is extremely helpful to me.
Now the question that arises for me is your use of the term "merfacht". Is/was Merfacht a hybridizer? I'm trying to familiarize myself with the names of hybridizers or those individuals who sorted out the characteristics of the genus.
Joydie
see new posting
Joydie
This message was edited Saturday, Jan 19th 7:09 PM
tig.... your starting to sound like brugmansia... you go girl
whew! twern't me, irish!