Real arborea seeds??

Are these them? They're large but if you asked me ... they aren't any larger than the versicolor hybrids I had. I don't know if anyone picked up on this in the Preissel book ... but it doesn't make sense.

He says.... the arborea pods are 2 inches long by 2½ inches around...blah,blah,blah. Then he goes on to say the seeds are 4½ inches by 3 inches. How can the seeds be larger than the pods? How big are the seeds supposed to be? I'm confused. Are these arborea or not? The ruler in the pic is in cm.

the seeds I got from a friend were probably twice that big. You'll know the difference right off, no question.

The arborea seeds I got from Monika Gottschalk were 3 x that size. They were huge. I trust that the ones from Monika are the true arborea seeds. Unfortunately, they haven't germinated yet.

Darn! Poppysue takes another slap! I hope ya'll are learning from my mistakes ;-) I wonder what these are - probably suaveolens? I'm gonna write Chiltern's. Maybe I have no grounds to complain but this just doesn't seem fair. I purchased $67 in seeds from them. If I had known they wouldn't have "true" arborea seeds I probably would have ordered elsewhere.

Poppysue: I ordered arborea seeds from Pure Land Ethnobotanicals. They promised me they were species. NOT. I also got them from Gwist in Switzerland. Said arborea. NOT.
Don't feel bad, I'm finally hoping the ones from Monika are the real thing and will germinate soon. I'm sure they are as she is an excellent hybridizer and knows her stuff. I just don't think seed companies know enough about brugs yet. I'm in pursuit for vulcanicola seeds right now.

off subject, brugman's rotor vulcan has the most beautiful brug leaves i have ever seen....and Jeanne, the seeds arrived yesterday, thanks again. Poppysue, it is part of the brug mystic....even with cuttings and plants you never know what you'll really get except there is a 50/50 chance it will really be something you already have.....

I ordered from Pureland too, and they weren't. and the aurea seeds I ordered from them never germinated.

Arlene: What do the roter vulcan leaves look like? Can you take a picture for us? I'm glad the seeds arrived, unfortunately Brugman hasn't got his yet. But the mail is slow, I rec'd a package dated Dec. 21 yesterday.

going from memory and almost dark, very thick, very green, and i think scalloped sort of...will try to find pic. the mail must be a canada/us thing...seems pretty normal around here, 2-3 days to TN, IA etc....

poppysue, doesn't tonny have arborea?

I think in the book it says ""Even today the most diverse species of white flowering Brugmansia can be found in commercial plant nurseries listed incorrectly under the species description "arborea"This is probably one reason why the genuine B.arborea is unknown to so many brugmansia enthusiasts and is only seldom grown" So if commecial greenhouses think they have one, then they propagate it ,and who knows what it really is..... I'm so sorry about the seeds sue

Does anyone have an extra cutting of tonny's "ida"? would love to get one of these without asking tonny to do something illegal...