I just got my catalog yesterday. I see they have some different brug seeds available. Arborea, suaveolens, candida, and even a candida double white (...how much chance that these will actually be double?) They're in England and there's no mention about the phytosanitary certs. I really want the arborea seeds so I'm going to hurry up and make an order before the 22nd. It's a cool catalog if you don't get it. They have LOTS & LOTS of seeds.
Here's their web page
http://www.edirectory.co.uk/chilternseeds/index.htm
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Chiltern Seeds Catalog
I got arborea seeds from Gwist, they sell them in garden shops, and they weren't arborea. Sauvolens :( you'll know because the arborea seeds are huge!!!
Don't ya hate that! Last year I traded for 3 sanguinea seeds. I babied the plants all summer & they were setting buds when I had to bring them in last fall. The buds fell off when they came in - but I'm almost positive they were suaveolens and not sanguinea.
Also - I should mention the brugs are listed under Datura in Chiltern's. I trust their identification more than most catalogs.
Well that explains why I didn't see them!LOL
tig, brugman just told me the biggests seeds are arborea and aureas!!!!! unless i heard wrong.... no, he said a and a, arborea and aurea, biggest seeds.... did tony say arborea were smaller?
no, not the seeds, the seeds are big. Twice or more as big as regular brug seeds. I don't think Tonny said they were small, not sure. But the ones he sent me were really big.
i understand now!!! mush for a brain..
Arborea seeds are large.
Double size as my sanguinea or B. x Golfito (I haven`t seen these yet) seeds.
When I get time I can scan the Brugs seeds I have to compare sizes and shapes. I think my sanguinea seeds looks wierd ... as these washing sponges, that they sell in the health-store, that is taken from a form of cucumber species (Luffa I think it is *lol*) ... round to ovate with small shallow holes in them and so :)
The arborea seeds have a more regular, smooth surface on the sides, but with a kind of small bumps in it ... and only with small ridges on the back (opposite the hole, where the seedling come out *lol* )
tiG, I bought suaveolens once in a seed store ... there was suaveolens all over the picture of the seed bag, but these seeds was as huge as arborea.
Do you think it was real suaveolens?
I had no other seeds of that species to compare with and the plants didn`t get very old.
Poppy, Brugmansia started to be called Datura (arborescen Daturas opposite to herbaceous Daturas).
Lots of years ago (long since I read, in which years, so I have a short term memory here *lol* ) the arborescent species was segregated from the herbaceous species and the new Genus was called Brugmansia.
Then after a while they went back to the Genus Datura, but in the recent years, f. inst. on account of Tommy E. Lockwood`s work, the ide of Brugmansia as a Genus different from Datura has gained new popularity.
A small word about brugs and philosophy:
... science is a funny thing.
When I was a young man leaving school I was a convinced materialist and believed firmly in, what could be weighted or counted ... when something could be proven by science I took it for undestructable facts ... if I could comprehend it with my five senses, it was there, but as the years went by I realized, that a scientifically proff or the senses is merely an answer already incorporated in the way you ask
... both is a kind of mirrow ...
... by asking one particular line of questions, you get a specific answer ... by asking another line of questions, you`ll get another ...
Brugmansia or Datura ???
Its a question of how you ask ... sorry, getting a little philosophical here *lol*
The brugs are Brugmansia today, but if an upcoming botanisk wins acknowledgement for his theory, that there are really Daturas tomorrow, these will be Daturas or maybe something else? Something like this happened, when Dr. Robert Bye from UNAM (one of the autores to: Phenetic analysis of Datura section Dutra (Solanaceae) in Mexico. Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society 133:493-507. and also did also describe Datura lanosa Barcl. ex Bye) and William E. Safford "discovered" B. vulcanicola. Before it was "discovered" as B. vulcanicola several other botanists had for a very long time been "discovering" it as B. sanguinea *lol*
I hope I don`t confuse you or scare you by indicating, that the world, that we are in, is not so rigid as we wish it were. If it is rigid, its a kind of misbehaving rigid size. Its more, than anything else fluent.
Oh Poo! Foot's in my mouth. I got my order from Chiltern's. The double candida seeds are in fact... daturas. How on earth are we supposed know what we're getting if the seed companies can't get names straight. I feel like complaining but how can I? ... they were listed as datura. The arborea seeds are brugs ... but I'm not sure they're true arborea. Tonny - I scanned them. Will you have a look & see if they look like arborea to you.
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Sue ,thats so sad!!!
Sue, I have a dbl white I can send you when the weather warms up. Just let me know if you want it and I'll put your name on it.
Thanks Snow. Well I think I've killed all the double white cuttings I've tried - cept one from Eric. It's just sitting there. No growth, no leaves, no nothin'. I hope it will make it. If it doesn't I probably will beg a cutting in the spring.
Sue ,I have some.add them to the list.If you feel better trading for the stuff,i'll trade for some of your beautiful perennials!Otherwize,i'll just send them when its warmer
Sue,
Thanks so much for ordering the pepper seeds for me. I really appreciate it.
Shirley
I just received the Richters catalogue (Canadian - www.richters.com.) They're a herb company. I emailed them yesterday and they replied that, yes, the seeds they list were true arborea seeds. I guess I have to order to find out for sure. Will keep you posted. They ship worldwide.
Oh yes, and we can still order from Canadian companies legally!!
Sue, I have some double white cuttings rooting and I can share with you in the spring too.
Thanks for all the offers. You guys are the best!
somebody please save me a double white or species, neither of those are doing really well for me. I have one of each, but to hybridize, I *need* more!!
tiG, I have a dbl white you can have but it's way to cold to send it now.
the way you're growing them, it will be enough for several plants by spring!! thanks:)
i received a couple of monikas seeds..the pods the were in were huge and when i peeled them, the inside was almost like the size of a sunflower seed on steroids?
tig if you need double white let me know.
jen
I'lll wait until after the Panhandle swap and see if I can get one there. thanks!!
I just re-potted my brugs yesterday and have one well rooted double white from my own stock, but the one I got from Eric isn't rooting very well. Just a few little fine hair like roots. The top looks very good, so I'm hoping for a big spurt of growth now that it is re-potted and has more osmocote in the soil. Maybe we should make Snow our Plant Nanny. She sure is growing some healthy looks plants.
Brugie you're so kind but I'm a new kid on the block too when it comes to Brugs. I've grown all kinds of plants most of my life and have grown Daturas but last year was my first year growing Brugs.There are some here that have so much knowledge and expertise on growing Brugs. How can we go wrong when we have them here to give us advise. :)