HAVE: Roses!

Aliso Viejo, CA(Zone 10a)

Hi all,

I have the following quite large grafted roses to trade:

'Blue Girl'
'Kathryn Morley'
'Lagerfeld'
'Queen Elizabeth'

At this time I'm looking for trades only, so please take a look at my exchange list.

http://www.gardenweb.com/members/exch/semiplena/

I'm definitely open to other plants than those that I have listed, so please feel free to make an offer. I'm interested in adequate compensation since these plants are fairly mature and shipping will be higher than normal. Looking especially for named and species hellebores!

Happy Gardening!

Mike

Bodrum, Turkey(Zone 10a)

WOW what a list you have, you must have a huge garden, just for the roses alone!!!!
I have one rose, a romantica, yves piaget (meivildo) and that's about it with roses, they are prome to black spot in my climate and I loose patience with them.

Aliso Viejo, CA(Zone 10a)

Pebble,

Try some of the Old Garden Roses (OGRs) - they're much better with disease resistance and far more beautiful!

The following site will addict anyone who is brave enough to enter. That is the only warning you get. I'm warning you! Okay, maybe another...lol.

http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/main.html

Have fun!

Mike

Bodrum, Turkey(Zone 10a)

Mike, enjoyed the site and read the article on the front, my question is this: what classification would my rose be?
and I havent pruned it, is it too late to prune now? It does have new growth on it. (I am ashamed to admit that I have just ignored it - I am usually so good with all my plants, and I know that the worst thing I could do to a rose is not prune it....) should I go ahead and prune it now? (I'm feeling quite guilty.)

thanks for your advice
pebble

Aliso Viejo, CA(Zone 10a)

Hi folks,

Update on the trade: 'Kathryn Morley' and 'Blue Girl' have been traded. 'Lagerfeld' and 'Queen E' are still left for the taking.

Pebble,

Don't be ashamed at all! Frequently the worst thing you can do to a rose is to prune it at the WRONG time, especially with the once blooming old roses. Far better to prune not at all if you are unsure. However, since what you have, a Romantica, repeats, I am assuming it is okay to prune it now. If it has too much growth, and buds are popping up all over the place, you probably want to let it bloom first and once it has finished its major spring flush, you can prune back by about 1/4 to 1/3. If there's not that much new growth and it's just coming out of dormancy, feel free to prune now by about 1/3 to 1/2. The less you prune, the more flowers you will have because the rose does not waste energy growing to the size it wants to get to, but rather puts it all into flower production.

Hope this helps a bit. Over the years, people have gotten the impression that roses are difficult plants because hybrid teas and the like can be very fussy and disease ridden. Once people turn to old roses, many cannot go back. Some may bloom once, but if you have the space, they are really enjoyable plants. If you want the old rose look on compact plants that repeat, look at the Portlands/Damask Perpetuals. You're in the perfect zone for rose growing by the way!

Take it easy and have fun in the garden,

Mike

Troy, VA(Zone 7a)

Mike, Thanks for posting that rose site for Pebble, I have made good use of it. Naturally there are many sites that I need to become aware of over here in the US but this one is going to take some beating. :-)

Bodrum, Turkey(Zone 10a)

Mike thanks for the info, It doesnt have that much new growth, so i think I should prune a little anyway, will try this weekend, and hope it survives.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

by the way, if I am in the perfect zone for roses, why do they always get black spot? everyone I know has the same problem.....Although, Portland right across the river from me is the city of roses, and while I lived there I also had black spot, and everyone would complain about it. Some people would wonder why we were the city of roses when we have such a hard time keeping them healthy.

Aliso Viejo, CA(Zone 10a)

Pebble,

Don't worry. You are in the perfect zone, no doubt about it. It's just that blackspot infects so many of the modern roses that we are trained to buy through nurseries and the media. Like Hybrid Teas. Once you get into old roses, you say to yourself "what have I been missing?" Well, fragrance, a naturally-growing bush, beautiful flowers and disease resistance.

Keep the questions coming. I'm happy to share my experience with others!

Mike

PS Everyone has problems with disease on most new roses. Down here in CA it's RUST. Bigtime!

Port Huron, MI(Zone 5b)

Semiplena..hi there..how do you graft rose bushes?I have Queen Elizabeth
John F. Kennedy
Mr. Lincoln
How old or large does the rosebush need to be to be grafted??

Aliso Viejo, CA(Zone 10a)

Hey Doglover,

Grafting isn't usually a process that is done by the common rose grower. It is a commercial process that is used to make bushes grow bigger, faster. I think it's a stupid practice as most roses (except for some finnicky HTs) are far better on their own roots instead of grafting them onto a (usually diseased) needless understock.

Grafting consists of taking a bud from one variety (the one you want to grow) and inserting it into a cut you have made on the stock rose (which will just be the roots, essentially). As I said, most rootstocks in the US today are infected with a virus known as Mosaic Virus, which diminishes the vigor of the rose as well as its production of flowers.

If you're talking about taking cuttings, you can do that at any time during the year, especially if you live in a warm climate. As long as you have enough of a stem (about the width and length of a pencil) you can take cuttings and stick them in the ground. Some will root, some will not. There are more sophisticated techniques, but I won't go into them here. Email me if you need more info.

I hope this helps.

Mike

Boonville, MO(Zone 5a)

Hi semiplena. I am looking foir suggestion and direction on the prettiest and easiest to grow yellow hybrid tea. I see pretty of yellow roses but hear they are not all created equal. I am looking to buy because I don't have plants to trade this year.

Any help would be appreciated. Blessings!

Aliso Viejo, CA(Zone 10a)

Hi Angel,

I'm glad you're interested in roses!

However, as a beginner with yellow roses, I would definitely NOT recommend any Hybrid Teas. Hybrid Teas are the hardest roses to grow. Yellow hybrid teas have a long history of proclivity to disease and most hybrid teas in general are disease-ridden and not fragrant! It might be better to start with some species, old, or rugosa roses which are much, much easier to grow.

The top yellow rugosa I would recommend (especially for those of you in cold districts) is 'Topaz Jewel'. Great rose, no disease, repeats - though not much in fragrance.

Some of the English Roses are great. I would recommend 'Charlotte' and 'Golden Celebration'. 'Jude the Obscure' is more apricot but can, at times, be yellow. Extremely fragrant and excellent disease resistance. They will not be hardy in zones below 5. Also, if you can get 'Joyce Barden' which is an English Rose hybrid - that's a very pretty, light yellow, fragrant and VERY disease resistant rose. It's available from The Uncommon Rose.

http://www.uncommonrose.com

If you are in a warmer area (zone 7 or higher), by all means try some of the Noisettes. They are usually climbers though. 'Marechal Niel' can be excellent. Try and get it from Heirloom or Vintage. 'Alister Stella Gray' and 'Celine Forestier' are also great roses.

http://www.heirloomroses.com
http://www.vintagegardens.com

Hope this helps in getting you off to a good start with yellow roses. If you need more info, please ask!

Mike

Old Fort, NC(Zone 7a)

Hi Mike,

Love Helleborus. Do you have any plants. Are you familar with Achimenes. Are seed of Helleborus true to parent plant. I am looking for doubles and trailers in achimenes. The only color I have is purple. Just found out they even have some with colored leaves. They are loads of fun to raise. Easy to winter over. Your list of roses is Wow. Your yard must be like a public garden.

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