Culebra - Methysticodendron

Doing a little reading about the culebra. It is aslo known as Methysticodendron amesianum and Culebra borrachero.
A search for methysticodendron turned up some intersting and helpful links. The last link - the Shultz arcticle has some helpful drawings of the flower parts too.

http://earthops.org/borrachio.html

http://theforbiddenfruit.com/articles/articles/hallpla/g141-150.htm

http://leda.lycaeum.org/Documents/A_New_Plant_Source_of_Narcotic_Drugs:_Methysticodendron_Amesianum_by_Richard_Evans_Schultes.16527.shtml

"The Chibcha formerly gave fermented Chicha with Brugmansia seeds to wives and slaves of dead chieftains to induce a
stupor before they were buried alive with their husbands or masters"

Aren't you glad we grow them only as pretties ;o)

The Chibcha`s are qute, huh? In Denmark in the Viking-times I thin I read some place, the Chiefs were buried like this with family and all too, - but with the different, that they were placed on his ship and properly burned alive. I wonder, what they drank ... first in 1970ès in became Brugmansia-time overhere. Vikings were as qute, huh?

It seem to me, that without regard to time or place several cultures, when these reach a certain stage of development, they practicizing these ceremonies. You know, in older ages the king was often killed, when he was still young and in strong vigor. The meaning was, that the King was the core of the tribe ... no he was the tribe, and if he let himself grow old, the tribe would grow old and weak with him. This habit was later followed by a ceremoni with the Kings Fool and was practised not so many decades ago by some nature tribes. The Kings Fool is instead of actually kill the King and his family they selected a young man, who in a certain amount of time was treated like a King ... fine clothes ... vines ... wifes ... decision power ... and then killed him in the Kings place. Its the origin of the custom Halloween and the slightly different Danish fasterlavn, where our children are allowed to collect camdy and cookies and when not given, they have the power to scare old people off. In Denmark, just fourty years ago on Fasterlavn, a living cat was put inside a wooden barrel and the village people lined up with baseballbats in their habds and alternatedly went to hit the barrel to crush it and kill the cat. He, who killed it, became Fasterlavns-King and won beer. I have one grown-up cat, who just got three kittens six weeks ago. I sure glad I am not viking or anything else, than I am, but as said, on a certain step in every cultures development, such things are quite natural.

Brugman, culebra report -- four blooms marked. one broke off in transit. should know before too long, right?

Forgot to tell you, good work, Poppysue. Link #2 you can download a copy of th book on you computer. I did, because webpages come and go.

Arlene-yes-I would give it another week or two at most-if no apparent growth in the pistal has started by then though I would give up hope. Has the flower fallen out of the calyx yet?

I envy you your hot zones. Its freezing cold here and the brugs aren`t in flower. Is the Methysticodendron the mother of this cross?

Tonny,
Speaking of warm zones.....It is 71f/21c right now here in south Mississippi and it is only 8:30 am. This has been a very warm December so far...even for us.

32 degrees here with freezing rain.The Brugs are warm and happy under their new light.

Yes, the Culebra is the mother. Methysticodendron is the old latin genus for the culebra.

I was just teasing by using Methysundsoweiter. My primarly reasons for wanting culebra in 1995 was:

1. There were severe name confusion at that time. It was simultaneously regarded as Methysticodendron (separat Genus), Brugmansia (Separat genus) and to Datura - section Brugmansia (Entirely different Genus. I must see and alther my old theories on the TDCI-website). For the Brugmansia part is was considered to belong to aurea in one book. Another stated candida. The botanist, who described them by these different names and ranks were Safford (i think) Bristol and Loockwood. That was my intertion at that time to grow it and cross to determine, who was right. It it would cross to Brugmansia species, I could leave out the theory of the Genus Methys etc,. If it would cross with the arborea complex it would be a arborea mutant as the closest. If it would cross to the candida group, It may be a cadida or aurea.

2. Some of the authors seemed to be in doubt, wheter the funny looking leaves of some of the hybrids and also the culebra was caused by virus or mutation. I would like to add to that too by drain some juice from a culebra to selected weak brugs and see, if these would develop culebra leaves or flowers. One of the main reasons for culebra to be thought of at that time as an infected plant was the incomplete flower and rarely encountered seedpods.

3. Now culebra seems to me to be a #1 class choice for hybridizing and to enjoy, off cause.