About how long do they take to sprout? Just want to get a feel for when to expect life:)
Arborea seed
Tig, was hoping for a pic of sprouts!
tiG - If it is seeds out of my stock they should have sproutet by now. Its over a month, since you sowed them, right? If they don`t come up soon I`ll refund your payment for them :)
If anyone else purchased arborea or arborea cv. "Ida" seeds of my stock your response is very welcome. If it turns out, that more of you have the same experience as tiG, this is a general problem that has to be dealth with immediatedly.
no Tonny, I sowed them Nov. 14th. And the seeds inside looked wonderfully healthy. I just wondered if these were some of those that take a year to sprout:) as I've heard of that, and didn't want to give up hope.
I remember a Danish Brug grower mentioned, that in one year he had problems germinating his arborea seeds, but I didn`t take note of it at that time. Normally he had experienced no problems germinating them, but now nothing seemed to satisfiy the seeds.
He exsperienced two thing. It took time germinating them and when germinating, the hypocotyls or seed leaves was trapped into the seed coats and the seedlings eventually died.
The first problem he overcame by accident. In the autumn he had taken some seeds and pottet them, but forgot to take them in for the winter. He discovered the pot again the following spring, took them into his greenhouse, where seedling soon rushed up of the pot.
The second problem of the seed leaves I think you have already solved. I understand from your post that you have removed the seedcoats prior to potting the seeds :)
I am virtuaal out on "Ida" seeds by now, but if I in contrary to my exspectations should find a few, is it then OK to send them, so you can do the "winter-thing" with them :)
Tonny
Tonny, you save any seeds you might find, I really think these will show up. They were great healthy seeds, and yes, I soaked and peeled. I don't want you to feel it's the seeds fault:) If they like me, they will grow!! And I do have the cuttings, and they are good and healthy. Can't wait to make some crosses with them.
Tonny,
Do you have a picture of Ida that you can post? I've never seen it before. If not, maybe a site that would have it?
Shirley
Tonny, what would be your suggestion to cross with? I'm just learning, but I know the cuttings will be big enough this summer. My stars are Butterfly, Eric's hybrids (one is aurea pink cross), Gloria's hybrids, HHG, white aurea, Rosabella, Whiskers...any of those stand out? I'm getting a double white aurea soon too.
Shirley - I am working on a new homepage, where I will post pictures of both my dats and (my few) brugs :) It will be the kind with thumbnails to click to enlargen the images. The ida-page will contain 25 + images of Ida
tiG - Close your eyes and take a good nap, because here comes a long, boring story *lol*
According to Georg Preissel there is a crossabillity barriere between brugs, that parts them into two groups. Only species within one of these groups can be succesfully crossed. Group 1 is the arborea - sanguinea - vulcanicola complex. Each of these is compatible with one another. The other group consist of the remaining species *lol*
One thing is, what Preissel says. Another is the wonders of mother nature. For instance is it a well established truth, that only arborea is self-compatible. Next week or so I receive a sanguinea, which are also self-compatible. I know from my sangs, that they usually aborts the fruits, when self-pollinated, but this wonder keeps them and gives viable seeds.
This mean, that other scientific truths can be questioned as well. I have not heard of, that it has happened yet, but I think it can be done. Some hybrids of group one can properly have its genes mixed so heavily up, that it can cross successfully with a plant of the other group.
Oh, it is heart-crashing (if a such thing is. I am glad it isn`t computer-crashing) *lol*, but some of these you mention is my favorites too :) If you get flowers enough, why don`t you try them all. As I picture it, they will all come out beautiful.
oh rats! I knew that there were two groups, had forgotten that arborea was in that other group. Can't wait for my book to get here:)
So what about Species and Culebra, would it cross with them? At least it's self fertile, cause I can't grow the other two, even though I do have a dozen baby sanguineas at the moment.
Flava? It will cross with flava, right?
Hence, my Dr.Sues x Ecuador pinks are aurea x suaveolens x versicolor x versicolor hybrids...best to cross them with aurea x suaveolens or aurea hybrids...for a possible cross with arborea later. I can't be 100$ certain, but 2 of my Ga-3 treated pistals on my Solid Gold with arborea pollen seem to have aborted very small seedpods with seeds that did attempt to develop just a bit. One could see seedcoats and thats a plus, but it could be that another pollen made its way to them as well. The vast majority of Ga-3 treated pistals simply aborted altogether.
...As for mixes the other way...flava x vulcanicola x arborea x (flava x Vulcanicola)?
Dr.Sues x Solid Gold crosses. aurea x suaveolens x versicolor x(aurea x suaveolens x versicolor). Should be pretty mixed up. Couldn't hurt to cross those back to butterfly though or some aurea cross.
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