I hope this works.. I need some help here. I think I need to move somethings and I was wondering of I could get some help. First, the sun hits my yard from the south. Should I have roses facing the south or just have them on the west side of the yard as I do now. But a few are facing the south behind the deck. If I see that you all can see this I will write more and explain codes...lol
Good it worked. On the south end of the yard, ( the back of this picture) I have mostly wild ferns, hosta, and day lilies growing because this area floods and stays kinda wet when it rains. The east side, to the left of picture I have a small pond. Hosta and grasses grow here with a ground cover. My problem is where to plant full sun and partial shade items. The right back corner use to be shade because of 2 trees that use to shade it, but now it gets more sun. I have hydrangea,astilbe,Hosta,columbine, day lilies ,azalea , hydrangea's 1 Rhododendrons,and a Crimson Queen japanese maple in that deep back corner , then it moves on to another hydrangea that wilts so fast with the sun and then to the roses and hosta's with shrubs in the back ground and lilies and day lilies mixed in. I guess I am wondering of I have these plants placed in the right catagory's, or if I have them to mixed up? This picture gives you an idea how the sun hits it in the morning.
What type of hydrangeas are they?
The ones I have do better in mostly shady. Roses love full sun, so west facing or south facing is fine.
Daylilies can take part shade whereas lilies need full sun.
The astilbe will probably fry if they are in too much sun.
Some columbines can take more sun than others.
I would think you could move the ones that need more shade all the way to the left side of your yard.
Does that help at all???
That is what I was thinking. Because that area only gets late afternoon shade. Do you think I should move the Crimson Queen so it gets more full sun?
I know I purchased some hydrangea's on clearance one year and it said that they were suppose to stay small, The flowers are white and bloom all summer. The one that wilts so bad is a off spring of my blue hydrangea that is on the east side of the house.
I must say that the astilbe that is in that corner , gets over 5 ft tall, so I know it like its there. I wish I could remember what kind it is...lol
The roses facing south tend to lean to the west to see the sun. That is why I wondering if I should move them.
Really neat sketch there!
Seems like the best full sun is along the deck.
I think I'd address it 'functionally"= do those roses please you even with leaning? Do they seem healthy?
Crimson Queen may be happier in sun. as opposed to shade.I guess it would be more full and colored in sun than shade.
Yard looks great already though!
Thank you, but my problem is where it floods and that afternoon sun on the left side. I have tired so many full sun item and they dont do well. I put in shade plants and they do somewhat ok, But the trees there seem to soak up a lot of the moisture. There were a lot of hosta there till the voles got them...lol. I was looking at that area today and decided I could use some extra dirt there. That might help with the moisture problem. I am just concerned with the new full sun that that corner might get with a very large pine tree gone now. I will see how things look this spring. Thanks
Oh the picture was done in microsoft excel, using symbols.
I'm curious, what 'carp' rose is short for--or is it a euphemism for ''not special,'' LOL
It is for carpet rose. they are orange in color. They dont grow low though. But after I cut them back this spring they just might...lol
Also that Gall was for a plant that did not make it there.That area I am working on still.
Marie, this is a different idea. But I'll throw it out there anyways. What about creating some shade with a pergola seating area, There are 2 small one pictured on this site with a swing and one with white wicker chairs and table. http://www.pergoladesign.org/
Sally--
I had a Carpet Rose for years--and it DOES spread--kind of, almost "crawlsl"
to cover, easily, a 4' square area....It was all the rage several years ago.
Two years ago--I bought my first Knockout Rose--that blooms
all summer and can be found on the highways and Shopping Centers....Red or pink...
HELP!!!!
SO! I had to dig up and move my Carpet Rose to the front, NE corner of my bed,
in front of my Tall, Red, Perennial Hibiscus--so I could plant the new Knockout Rose in it's place
by my south corner of my shed. It is doing well there----The carpet Rose is still establishing
itself in the new location. NOT enough sun, I know.....
The story of my life! Get something new--have to dig up something older to find room for it...
Of course--the one I dug up has to now also find a new home...I do not throw anything out....
Gita
edited to insert the name "Knockout" which Sally provided...
This message was edited Mar 3, 2011 9:35 AM
Gita, I do the same thing. I dont throw anything away it just finds a new home either in my yard or someone else gets it. Or I plant it and find that, oh shoot it wont grow there, now i have to move it .. I do it every year...lol
Me too. Its taken years but I may, just maybe, be at the point where I will kill a native self sown dogwood so I can make room for a witch hazel. After all I do have four other blooming size dogwoods in my yard...plus four OTHER growing up in the shade area.
Gita- Knockout (I have a couple) Even in part shade I have never seen a hint of blackspot.
I wanted to say thanks to all the ideas that you have given me. I am waiting on find out how much soil is going to cost me and when I can get it so I can move some of these plants. In case I did not mention it. My yard slopes down toward the back, the ground in the front by the house is higher than the back flower bed. Oh last year I planted the flowers that I thought we something else. Well when I got home with them and took them out of the pots. I said to my self, these look like mums roots. So I read the small print and yes they were mums. They grew so big and took over and almost smothered the rest of the flowers. This year they are being moved to where they can grow all they want.
I was sitting here this morning and thinking about this thread and all that I have asked. Then it came to me what I really wanted to know. What do you plant on the east side of your yard. The area that only gets part shade and then late afternoon full sun? Is it the hydrangea's , roses etc? I have astilbe, peone's hosta, rose of sharon, One hydrangea that needs watering a lot, due to the tree, I know that I need to add a lot more soil and that is my goal this year, to raise it at least 6 inches. I think that will help with the moisture retention problem and the root system of the plants. If my back and wallet can take it, i want to put stone around it to help retain the soil.
That's pretty already.
That creates a seemingly tough situation, the morning shade and PM sun. I think I'd look at it as more sunny than shady. My iris and hardy geranium seem to do OK that way. Columbine did well. With tree roots though I am moving toward just getting columbines and bulbs there, wood poppies, lily of the valley--and letting them go dormant in the dry season.
Marie--
I am not clear on one thing.....When you talk about putting 6" of soil on top--is it underneath the
tree in the above picture?
Be aware that, putting 6" of soil underneath a mature tree can actually kill the tree.
You are burying the feeder roots--the small ones near the surface, depriving them of Oxygen as well.
Not good! Two inches is OK...
Now--you talk about this East side as "part shade" and then full afternoon sun.
I would almost consider that a place for sun-loving plants--as for them, the afternoon sun is
the most important.
In your list above--these would do well there...sun-loving plants
--Roses--definitely!
--Peonies
--Rose of Sharon
--Some Hydrangeas...even though they like filtered light better.
These will NOT!
--Hosta--they get "washed out looking" if too much sun.
--Astilbe--it will "fry"
FloAjen pretty much said the same thing.....
Get a basic Gardening Book and see what the light requirements are
for different plants....
Gita
edited to say--Sally--We cross Posted....
This message was edited Mar 3, 2011 12:37 PM
Thanks a lot. I will take all of this into concideration. My Astilbe's actually do fairly well there and the bleeding hearts. there is a woods on the other side to the east so the sun does not really get there until around 3 pm. And the Hosta that was there, before voles, did good also. That is how much shade it gets during the day. I am thinking of trying some roses though. The reason I want to add soil is because there is only about 4 inches of soil there now and that I added .I would keep it away from the trees just in the area that I want plants to do better.
It is really is one of my tough spots. It dries out so fast. I was even thinking of just digging it all up and going back to grass..lol
