I have been asked this question and I do not know the answer but said I would try to find out.This lady has 46 chickens and feb 1st she noticed some had cold like symptoms sneezing, watery eyes,trouble breathing,feb. 2nd first one dead and four more since then.She has had a necropsy done and they found nothing,she is in touch with the state vet but nothing yet.I told her maybe someone on here would be able to help.
I have a urgent question
Is she giving the antibiotics in their water?
She didn`t say,what would you suggest and I will tell her
There is an antibiotic powder you mix in their water. I forget what the name is but it turns the water yellow. I think it's 1 TBS per gallon. Whenever I have any of my girls "off" I will add it for a week or so. Sounds like she has some kinda respiratory gunk going on and with this weather it is no wonder. Has she added any new chickens lately?
Will ask
It is probably CRD and antibiotics in the water is slow to help. Sick birds do not eat and drink as much as healthy birds do and antibiotics down the gullet is not very affective for a respiratory disease. I would give a shot of Tylan 50 in the sinus cavity.
How do you administer that in the sinus cavity Ken?
Duramycin-10, 1 TBSP to gal water made fresh daily for 7 days. It worked for me and My Silkie Roo was in a very bad way. He got hand fed some of the medicated water via syringe to make sure he got enough in him 2 x's a day and he stayed under the heat light in his coop
I am to afraid to try to give sinus shot without seeing it done first hand before trying
Ken make us a video and put on U-tube you would be helping many of us out big time
A video would be a GREAT help! I'd be afraid to try it without seeing very very detailed instructions.
Yes she is giving antibiotics and she added new chickens last summer,I eamailed all the info so far and have not heard from her yet
I have just been able to get what seems to be CRD under some control with Tylan50, but injected into the breast muscle. I can't bring myself to inject into any creatures' face, but that's just me.
Here is a picture and more information on crd. Donna, I have picture that shows the exact spot to inject, what more do you need? Why is it soooooo hard for you to stick a needle in a sick chicken? Yes you can give antibiotics in their food and water but then it kills lots of good bacteria in the gullet and does very little for the real problem. By giving the shot in the sinus cavity, you are putting the antibiotic where it is needed the most. This way the bird get better much faster and you use much less antibiotic so that bacterias do not become resistant to antibiotics.
http://www.vonrussellfarm.com/pfcare.html
What is the dosage of the Tylan50?
I give an adult peacock 1CC and I just gave one of my Gold pheasants .05 CC and the next day fine, no more drugs. You just have to make a ballpark decision and go with it.
Ken I am sorry but I can't see a what you are doing in that pic other than you are holding the bird and a syringe. It does not blow up to a larger clearer pic
If I couldn't inject, I'd make a mash with the antibiotic water... give that along with the meds in the water.. It's so hard to get enough water in them, not only cause of winter, but cause when they are sick they don't want to drink.. I've made a mash with lay crumbles, scrambled eggs, yogurt and the medicine water... If it's extra tasty with the scrambled eggs they might eat it.. and the yogurt helps the gut..
I also use VetRx to help with breathing.. (kinda like Vic's for us)
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/vetrx-poultry/camid/LIV/cp/16803/cn/3507/
Just my 2 cents! Good luck.
Kenboy I am so onboard with the antibiotics given orally problems.
Quoting your site:
" Terramycin is also somewhat effective if you catch the disease in the early stages. If you are treating very young birds in the early stages it can be very effective, but there is another problem. In talking with Dr. Wigle through the years I have found out that one of the main causes of death in birds sent to A&M for necropsy is starvation. Not because they did not eat, but from their inability to digest there food because of the overuse of antibiotics. The problem is antibiotics kills all kinds of bacteria, good and bad. Birds ( and humans ) have all kinds of bacteria in their digestive tracts that help them digest food."
In fact, my own daughter had candida so badly when she was four years old she nearly died. What was the solution from the doctors? More antibiotics! She couldn't eat anything except cookies and bread for six months! It was one of the more horrible things I've ever lived through, watching my child deteriorate in front of my eyes. I prayed for a miracle and found a book called "The Yeast Connection" by William Crook. After three days on acidophilus she could eat anything she wanted without vomiting. It was a long slow road to recovery however. You never really get over candida.
See why I have such an attitude? I have my experiences.
One more reason I'm big on giving my stock yogurt.. I know you are right.. both of you.. but when a bird is really sick, I don't think it's a case of over use of antibiotics.. We are limited in what we can do.
I'm not such a professional that I'd inject.. although I agree, it's probably more effective. Just sayin.. as a backyarder, I can only do so much.. :)
Dr. Crook believes many of these other diseases are caused from antibiotics and birth control pills, as well. Lupus, MS, cancer, various auto immune disease, allergies in children, etc etc etc...
Antibiotics are made from molds after all. They are really quite dangerous. imh layman's opinion.
Didn't really think about the birds being hurt by them, but it makes perfect sense.
Is there a powdered probiotic that can be mixed with their food and/or water? I was thinking, in case of an emergency, it would be more potent. Mine love the the plain old Dannon yogurt a couple times a week mixed with cooked oatmeal. On the other days they get raw ACV in their water. Tomorrow they're getting some whole frozen (thawed) tomatoes from the garden last summer, they'll go crazy!
Update on the sick chickens,she has lost just the five,and is forcing water with antibiotics in it and the others seem to be doing better she said.She thanked me for the info and I told her it was all the info I got on here.Told her she should join us,we are like family and our kids are chickens.LOL,asked her what she was giving for antibiotics but havn`t heard yet.She is throwing all the eggs away because of the antibiotics could she cook them up and feed back to the chickens?Its a shame to through them.YUCK its snowing again today and windy and cold later on today.Move shoveling the runs out again tomorow.Thanks again for your help She said she has been using oxytetracycline
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I feel so sorry for her.
LFJ, Not all antibiotics are made from mold. I agree with what ZZ's said, keep in mind that antibiotics are not just used like water and feed. I keep antibiotics here and I think I have used them twice in four years and with very limited use at that. It's pretty hard to destroy an immune system that way...Hay
kenboy wrote;'I give an adult peacock 1CC and I just gave one of my Gold pheasants .05 CC and the next day fine, no more drugs. You just have to make a ballpark decision and go with it."
kenboy, why the big disparity in dosage? Are the pheasants really that much more sensitive?
Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook lists the avian dose for Tylosin (Tylan) in upper respiratory infections or air sacculitis at 40 mgs/kg (approx 20 mgs per lb) IM bid or tid (two or three times daily) according to two sources, one of whom is personally known to me, Dr. Susan Clubb. This involves weighing the bird, and calculating dosage. One cc would be for about a 2.5lb bird. I have seen other sites with a pretty broad dose schedule with 40mg/kg about the middle, so I'd guess varying dosages are effective in many cases. Duration of treatment not specified, but I do three days.
I m glad i found this thread. My chickens are all sneezing. I use antibiotics . I live in weather that is cold tonight its 5 degree's.
ZZ can i get more info on the mash you make ? I have used the Tettramycine (sp) before and it worked for me.
i do usually do a 2 cup yogurt mash , 1 TBLS flax seed, 1 cup cottage cheese,1/4 cup dried fruit, 3 TBLS sunflower seeds, 1/4 cup cooked mashed pumpkin, 2 TBLS echinacea powder and some green tea . This can get costly though.
i do this 2 times a week, they get green tea in their water almost every day. but i think i may need a good dose of quick acting meds.
to get it under control , would you recomend, i use the 1 TBLS of the Duramincine to add to the mash i make ?
I would love to give an injection but my birds are wild and free ranged. They are in their coop at night. but its to crazy to try and catch 15 wild chickens with out doing some damage and stress to the birds.
any help , appreciated.
thanks
sue
This message was edited Feb 8, 2011 9:12 PM
hmmmm 1 TBSP might be to strong in the mash for just 15 chickens. I would try 1 tsp but you have to give it every day. Mash is just wetted feed. I would try 4 to 6 cup feed with 1 tsp mixed in 1 qt water and pour over food. Stir while pouring so all food goes into the water. After food has absorbed all the water and is well mix add more water if necessary. I would do it 2 x's a day. 1 dose a day isn't going to do much for them and it has to be done for 7 days
That is excellent dosage advice Donna. I use 2 tbl sp to a gal of water and usually give it for ten days. Taynors I would make a dosage with the mash, but I would also do a dosage in the water... Sometimes birds will drink but not eat, and viceversa. That way you would cover all of your bases...Hay P. S. Taynors it's good to hear from you, How is Mel?
Taynors, most of mine I have to do after they're in for the night, as well. I've had lots of experience with injecting squiggly critters (I worked for years as a Vet tech, and in cat rescue) I have found I can pick them up with little struggle if it's dark.
I had considered using it in some cats, but found reference to it being very painful when injected. Funny, the chickens never flinch...