Did you all see this?

Did you all see this? There is an ebay seller that has 3 Sinningia listed that look just like a well respected hybridizer's series. One is B.J.'s Fireworks which looks just like Ozark Fireworks, another one is B.J.'s Twin Trumpets and looks just like Ozark Twin Trumpets and a third that is named B.J.'s Passion and it looks like Ozark Something Special. Unbelievable!!!

Connie

yes i did see this, wonder who she is?
Bonnie

Don't you think they look identical to Ozark Series? Looks like she is out of Canada. No bids so far. Hope people can see what appears to be going on.

Connie

they sure do look like david's,why anyone would want to do that is beyond me. But there was a sinn. on dolly's web site that looks just like one of davids & i sent him the picture, but he said there was a difference, i could not see it. but he would know best.
bonnie

If you grow them from seed pods, don't they become your hybrids? the seeds can be nearly the same, the same or completely different from the plant the seeds came from.

I don't know why someone who says they hybridized a plant, name it after a plant already using that name. It is really unfair to Dave, ..over time if the Ozark or the BJ gets dropped off a label what you have is a name that could be one of two plants...if they are different that is. Hey, its really unfair to the rest of us who may get a plant that is not what we think.

tish

the only way you are suppose to name a plant is when you hybridized it.Growing from seed is not the same.You are still growing the same plant with a a little variety in it's background. Generally they will all look very similar.Quite different when you hybridize one. Then you don't know what you will be getting as these are 2 differernt backgrounds.
bonnie

So glad to read your views on this. I definately agree that it is unfair to David and to the collectors. The plants and the names are to close for comfort.

If I understand right, if I grew a seed pod of Ozark Twin Trumpets, it would be x self. So it would still be Ozark Trwin Trumpets but you are "cloning" it as if you started it from a tuber. If you hydridized a seed pod from two different sinningia then you could name it. Is that right, Bonnie? Do you have to go through 3 generations like A.V.s?

Connie

He may be able to claim infringement of copyright or similar with ebay I know I had someone using my pictures without permission, and ebay was very helpful in getting them removed. Something like this is a much more serious violation, and I believe that they want to avoid these situations as much as possible. If one or more of you know the hybridizer, I'd definitely let him know. I would imagine the use of the name alone is infringement of copyright and enough to get the seller booted off ebay. Which they definitely deserve (IMHO).

Jan

PS : There is a link to a form to that you fill out and fax to ebay. I;ll rummage around and see if i can find it.

Thanks Jan :) I have talked to David and he is very aware of this and is concerned about it too. Glad you were able to get yours resolved.

Connie

hybridizing sinns or almost any gessie is about the same as for african violets, they like you to grow of for 3 generations to make sure it is stable, then you can pay to have it named & registered. Alot of people don't register there plants.But i know David did.
Bonnie

I know to register it, it has to be significantly different from other plants already listed and you have to describe in detail how it is different and send photos.

I imagine it is possible that this person thinks she can plants seed and name them whatever she wants and then it is her cross. Sometimes the seeds look different than the parents but I don't know how that works? What if the seedling looks very different? I know hers were very similar though.

Pat

true, you don't have to grow 3 generations, but if you ask most hybridizers, they all say 3 generations
bonnie

It is true that you don't have to grow Gessie's,other than AVS, for 3 generations,but it might help the confusion if you did.