The sky is falling!

and you can only take ONE brug with you. Which one do you grab and run away with. I want a couple more and who better to ask then you folks. Catalog descriptions and catalog pictures only work a bit so I'm hoping for some ideas and maybe sources.

Is it reasonable to mail order brugs at this time of year? I sure can't think of many other plants I want shipped in mid/late summer.

Thanks ..

Adeline is one of the most vigorous growers I have and it's a nice pink double. It can take more Texas sun than many and does well in heavy shade. I had it planted in three places last year and two came back after a hard Winter, it will not take a Canadian Winter.

One I would grab is the "Maya".....or maybe a "Dr. Seuss"......

My "Maya" grew so huge ans bloomed so profusely--4 times last Summer--I had to donate it away to an Arboretum.
It is a VERY strong grower and the blooms go through 3 color changes....Buds are yellow--open to a cream white and finish up a pale peach. Some people call this one "Peaches and Cream"....

This was from last October--I dug it up and it was waiting for the truck to come and get it....
A very nostalgic event--but the Arboretum took cuttings and they all grew (I got one back too--for FREE!) and sold them at their annual "Market Day"....
So--I have a new "Maya" coming along.....

Here she is!

Here you can see the "Maya's 3 colors all at one time...

Thanks Ken and Git. Maya and Adeline WILL find a place in my yard and in my garage. Nothing like first hand imput. I may try and locate them now but I'm guessing I would be better off wainting until next spring. MY big guys live in the garage for the winter but a couple of small flowering size plants might fit into the green house. we will see...

I look through the brug catalogs ect and many of them look quite similar. Maybe not to a decerning eye but I'm not at that point with Brugs yet. I just like their large blooms that grace me in the evening with a great scent.

I have never seen a potted plant that required more food and water than these guys. Very greedy plants when they live in root bound 10 or 15 gallon pots..

Ty again..

Gitagal, Maya and Peaches and Cream are two different Brugs but look a lot alike. RottedRoots, I would try to get cuttings this Fall, as many people are cutting their Brugs back to bring them in for the Winter and cuttings will be more available.

kenboy--

Yes, I know they are different....some slight difference in the splits in the Calyx--or some such thing.....
Funny--but when I bought my "Maya" at a Street festival here, it was a new, little plant in a 4" pot.
The grower was from PA and it was labeled "Peach Parfait".....

I proceded to post on DG and a year or so later, after it had bloomed, I took a picture and someone here ID'd it as a "Maya". So I contacted the guy I bought it from at the festival, and told him of the correct name....
He was gracious, but said he had been growing this Brug for 6 years and had always called it "Peach Parfait".....
End of story......

roots-----I agree with Ken that Fall is the better time to get cuttings--for all the reasons ken listed....
Besides--a cutting is easier to mail than a rooted plant....YOU root it!!!

And--BTW--I do not feed my Brugs all that much....just lazy.....Watering--YES!!! Daily! Almost 2gal. a day.

I WOULD like to know the name of the pink one--as it has promises of growing every bit as big as the Maya.
It is already close to 5' tall and 4' wide--and, by my configuring, It is in it's 3rd year from a cutting...
Not sure, as I got it from someone else already rooted and growing....

For possible ID--here is a closer up picture of it's blooms.....

Sorry! I AM long-winded.......:o) Gita

One odd thing is that when the buds are still tight--they are yellow (just like the Maya).
Then, towards evening, when they start opening up--they are milky white.
By the following morning--they are pink...

Does this help???

Gitagal, there really is now way of telling what your pink is, it is best to just calling it a NOID. Same goes for your variegated, there is no way for someone to positively ID just by seeing a picture on Dave's. Weather, soil conditions, time of year all can cause changes in bloom color, length of calyx, etc... There is no Brug named Peach Parfait, that is just what someone renamed Maya. So you probably have a Maya but who knows.

Ken
I understand all that.....
BUT--I still like to think my variegated one is a "Maya"----because I like that name...
Like the Maya people. Smart. Intelligent. Amazing....inexplicable.....sinuous....

Like this less than a year old Maya cutting blooming away last Summer.....A real winner!

Thanks for your input. Gita

Gita, The problem with giving Brugs an undeserved name is that we tend to share cuttings a lot and the temptation is to include the name we give them. That's probably what happened with Peach Parfait. aka Maya. Please call your variegated Brug something else. The name Maya is already taken up by a legitimately named Brug.

Bettydee,

It is NOT MY Brug! I have not created it--I just bought it and have enjoyed it as a good bloomer and strong size.
The cutting blooming came from my big Maya plant...the legitimately named Maya--as deemed by DG "pros"..
It WAS ID'd as a Maya by several people here on DG when I posted all kinds of pictures several years ago...
I have now had my Maya for--maybe--6 years.
The story I told about the Peach Parfait was what the man I bought it from called it. I know nothing else about him except that he owns a Nursery.

The pink brug I showed is one i was hoping to get an ID on. I will be happy to call that a NOID....

I believe you misunderstood what I was relating here.

After looking at my Maya plant pictures above--was there any reason you thought it was NOT a Maya???
If so--please give me the reasons--I am open to being educated.....

Thanks, Gita

Gita, No matter what you call it, it is a very beautiful plant. I am very new at Brugs.. Purchased my first one two days ago, so I will be looking for a Maya to add to my garden space. Thank you for sharing it... I need all the education I can get.

It looks like NOID's are as comon as anything named and the subtle differences between some brugs are a cause so some minor problems. The fact is you can call them anything you want and no one can really demonstrate that you are wrong. You can buy a Maya and sell all the cutting you want under a different name with no repercusions which is unfair to the guy/gal who developed it but I see NO recourse.

I have ZERO knowledge but a brug must be very easy to register.. If those of you who know the Brugs well cannot positively ID them there must be a problem!!

My two largest blloms have great big ole commercial nursery tags that don't even tell me what brug I have. Maybe if I emailed them they might actually know although I'm certain it doesn't matter as I like them both very much. I wonder if I took pics of the tags someone could ID them just for chuckles and grins...

Adeline, Maya, Peaches and cream or even Peach Parfait would/will find a place in my garage...

What we are trying to say is, there are no " pros' on Dave's or anywhere else, that can positively ID a Brug by simply looking at a picture. Veronica and I have been growing Brugs longer than most and we both continue to do our homework and still won't even try to ID a Brug, even if we have the plant right in front of us. There is just too great a chance of getting it wrong. What you have may very well be Maya but nobody really knows. We are not trying to bust your bubble, we are just trying to stop the water from getting any muddier. Is it really that important that you put a name on this plant? If you really want named Brugs that are true to their name, get them from well known Brug people who are known for their knowledge of Brugs, there are lots of people here who can recommend growers. Think about it, you bought your Brug from a street vendor who gave it a name that did not exist.

Again we are not trying to bum your day but as I am posting this, there has already been 97 views of this thread, so many people are reading what we are posting and we don't want people thinking they can just post a picture and get a positive ID on Brugs.

Many years ago, maybe when I got my first Brug, i was still on GW and had never heard of DG. I joined it in 2003.

A man named Bill (??) sent me my first cuttings....I am not shy about asking questions, so I started pursuing all the information I could on how to grow and care about them on their Brug Forum.
One man on GW emerged as someone who many people went to seek information on Brugs. I believe his GW name was TNGreenthunb--but not sure. He had Brugs the size of small trees....He was my "guiding light" for a long time...

After I joined DG--I continued seeking information on these plants and, again. the one person that emerged as the best helper bas "Brugie" (Shirley Mohr in IA). We became DG friends....She sent me cuttings and helped with all her knowledge.
Shirley was personal friends with Monica (in Germany) who sent Shirley newly crossed varieties to grow out.
Shirley, herself, hybridized a Brug and named it "Forevermohr". She told me it was a cross between Rosamond and Butterfly. I had the FM and the Rosamond for several years...
having to drag my Brugs into my small, dark basement every winter--well--you lose some.....

Over and over--she helped me with growing Brugs--and I believe it was she who provided the ID of my Maya.

After years of all the conflict between ABADS (or was it Brug Growers International???) and DG--Dave prohibited
the use of these terms anywhere on DG.
Shirley, pretty much, gave up participating here after that but I believe she is still involved with the International organization. I believe she was treasurer of it a long time ago? I need to drop her a D-mail.....

Please--It is NOT my intent to make a big deal about any of this. Honestly! I have no "bubble to bust" and I am just a great gardener who enjoys everything I have and all the new plants I have added because of DG and the Plant Swapping and sharing that goes on here....It has enriched my garden immensely.

I also know that it is next to impossible to ID a pink Brugmansia....Too many out there.....

Ken and Veronica--I DO know your names from the Brug Forum--and I bow to your experience....

PEACE! Gita

Ken, Thank you for saying that a lot clearer than I did.

Gita, This will be my last post on the subject. I promise.

Firstly, I am aware that you did not "create" this variegated Brug. As most people do, I normally refer to a Brug I own as "my Brug" just as I refer to a Brug owned by someone else as "your Brug". I'm simply asking that you not continue calling it a Maya when in fact you purchased it without a name or an incorrect name.

Secondly, as few variegated Brugs as there are, even they are subject to mis-identification. So as to error on the safe side and not contribute to the growing incidences of mislabeled Brugs, the best policy to follow is to refrain from trying to identify unlabeled Brugs. Mislabeled Brugs should immediately become NOIDs.

Thirdly, there are a total of 3 white-edged on green variegated Brugs, that have smooth edged leaves and peach or apricot colored blooms, commonly found in the U.S. — 'Maya', 'Sunset' and 'Peaches and Cream. Grazie is not that common at the moment. Given that Brug blooms and their calyces are influenced by many factors, these three can resemble each other at times. Part way down this thread, I've included a photo of the leaves of each plus one of Jamie. The amount of white on green on the leaves changes too, so a plant can look very different under differing circumstances.
http://cubits.org/Brugmansia/thread/view/29551/

Fourthy, I went back and found the following thread.
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/738710/?hl=variegated+Brug+ID
It's difficult with too many chances of error to try to ID a Brug when viewing the actual plant because there can be visible differences from flush to flush. To try to ID a Brug from a photo of plant and flower and not make a mistake is getting close to impossible, but to ID a Brug just from a photo of the leaves or a description would be foolhardy.

I'm hoping that when you donated your beautiful variegated Brug to the arboretum, you gave it to them as a noid rather than as a Maya.

Bettydee.......one question...........is Snowbank still a legitimate verigated-leafed brug? I have one; got it at a garden center a few years ago with a plant ID tag in the pot.

Oh My! being new to Brugs (I just got my first one a few days ago), should we never trust what we are told or what the tag says the name is? Is it "safer" to just call them all NOID?

Bettydee

Thank you for taking the time to dig up the 2007 Post. Made me smile.....
I read both links you provided....I have not yet ventured into Cubits very much. My comfort level is here....

When I donated away my "Maya"--I did call it that, as that is what I had known it by for years.
I can, certainly, shoot an e-mail to the Arboretum and put in a disclaimer...
Do you semi-agree with Brugie (2007) that it Might be a "Peaches and Cream"? That would help.....

And...may I just say that us "plain Folks"-- vs serious Bruggers like you and Ken--are just happy to have a nice growing and flowering Brug and accept whatever name it has been known by from the donor and not question the finer points..
No one I know in this are is into hybridizing Brugs....Most people around here never even heard of a Brugmansia!
Cuttings get passed on and on--and everyone accepts whatever name it has.
Same goes for Daturas, and Epis, and Pregnnt Onion and Climbing Onion and Ric Rac cactus, etc....
I grow all those too....and have proliferated the Mid Atlantic with these through Swaps.

i DO understand your, and Kens. frustration re all this name thing.
It is like Julia Child having to accept a newbie cook preparing one of Julia's fancy meals and then calling it the "real thing"...
Silly example--I know, but it is just from a whole different level that when you look at these kind of things from the "top"...

And--I DO want to apologize to "rottenroots" for this huge digression on her original topic.

I appreciate your input and feel a bit more educated....Gita .

Anna, There are close to 20 variegated Brugs and Snowbank is one of them. It is a "legitimate" (I don't really understand what you meant by that.) variegated Brug. It is also one of two that I know of that are patented. It is very distinctive because of the amount of white on each leaf. Miner's Claim is also highly variegated, but the areas lacking chlorophyll are a creamy yellow rather than white as in Snowbank. Because it is patented, you can only make cuttings for your own use, but not for sharing.

Tracey, You can trust the cultivar name tag if you purchase you Brugs from a reputable seller. You can also trust the name tags on cuttings offered by Brug hobbyists if they have made a conscientious effort to spell the names correctly and to make sure their plants are clearly marked and who, once a name tag fades or is lost, adheres to the policy of changing its name to NOID (no id).

Brug enthusiasts are very generous people and will share cuttings. As recipients of this generosity, it's up to us to make sure that what we receive is really what it purports to be. If it isn't, then those plants have to be labeled NOIDs. There is an extensive library of Brug photos here on Dave's under PlantFiles. For the most part, the Brug files are accurate. Brugmansia Growers International (BGI) has an extensive databank, but to see it you have to be a member. ABADS had many photo links in its Registry of Brugmansia Names, but it went belly up. I'm hoping since iBrugs.com has now combined with ABADS that they will resurrect the photo files and make them available to the public. Photos in these files can be used as guides against which to compare the actual blooms. Keeping in mind that these are only guides since Brug flowers are greatly influenced by many factors which can change their appearance.

Most large box stores,such as Lowe's and Home Depot, and many nurseries sell Brugmansia plants by color. A few nurseries will sell some of the older cultivars, but it is not uncommon to see these plants mislabeled. In the past year or two, I've seen fewer specialty Brugmansia nurseries. E-Bay still has a few reliable Brug cutting and plant sellers. These sellers can be trusted to send out the cultivars advertised.

JT Sessions sells on e-Bay as well as his own website. His user name on e-Bay is countrygdn
http://www.countrygdn.com/catalog.html

Fred Sommer - Sells as sommergardens on e-Bay. Fred was going to open his own nursery, but has been very involved with iBrugs.com. So no new Brug nursery as yet.

Alice Harris - Sells as beloved on e-Bay and owns a canna and Brugmansia nursery, Karchesky Canna is listed under Dave's PlantScout.

Mike Usina - Sells cuttings under the name 'tctopcat1' on e-Bay.

There may be others, but I've only listed those from whom I have purchased.

I would NOT buy from '7servant7' on e-Bay. He never sends out what he advertises. He also touches up his photos so the colors appear better than they really are.

Of the group of sellers listed in PlantScout,
http://davesgarden.com/products/ps/search.php?search_text=Brugmansia&submit=Search
I've purchased plants from Karchesky Canna and Logee's. I can't vouch for the others.

I've also bought from Plant Delights Nursery,
http://www.plantdelights.com/

Gita, You can't have it both ways. You have to jump on one side of the fence or the other.

A "great gardener" takes the time to know his plants inside and out and that includes being bothered by the "finer points" ()details, such as proper names. He gets to that point through actual experience and education, not necessarily formal. It's a lifelong process that has a starting point, but the end point is in the distant future. I can't honestly say that I personally know a "great gardener".

As people who enjoy getting their hands dirty for the joy and privilege of watching something grow and thrive, we are all on the same road. We had the same starting point. None of us was born with the information already stored in our brain. Some are farther along that road for a variety of reasons, be it time, experience, education, desire, etc. There is no top to look down from. It's a cop out to refuse to follow a few naming conventions that are there to keep from muddying the water, yet still insist on having named Brugs. Trade or send noids. By insisting on having 'Maya' when it couldn't be positively identified, now there are god knows how many people out there with mislabeled Brugs, who will add to the confusion when they start sending out even more mislabeled 'Maya' Brug cuttings.

It's that very problem that Ken and I were trying to get you to see. I can't tell you your Brug was a Peaches and Cream. There are too many variables. It was and is a NOID. To reiterate, because there are so many look alikes, short of paying for a DNA test, if the Brug is mislabeled or doesn't come with a cultivar name, don't give it one. There is no shame in owning NOIDs. All of us have them. I love my Brugs whether they have names or not.

RottedRoots, I'm truly sorry that we hijacked your thread. However, the most common question asked on this forum is asking for an identification. So I hope you forgive this intrusion.

Tracey, I hope we didn't scare you off. Usually most questions are handled with equanimity and grace.

I loved the thread regardless of the tangent it took. Very informative and I still love my noids and have no problems at all just appreciating them and some great blooms this year.

Anything I care about much in my garden is permanently labeled but there are many tags from my 100 daylilys in the compost bin or labels that can no longer be read. Don't care much as I still know what most of them are anyway. Looks like there many opportunities for a misidentification to occur with a brug. ONE guy sells a mislabeled plants and it get passed around forever. LOTS of potential for human error.