rooting short 2" cuttings

Well... planting out the old standards from last year.. and the new growth is kicking into gear... and sending food back to the roots.. these rootts are developimng and sending food up to start new limbs and leaves on the top.. This pressure is so great... and the energy fluids are so rich.. and the flow so active along the inner bark.. and the distance to the top so great... piles of little leaf groups are always popping out the sides of the trunk.. to keep the standard form I'm always rubbing these new limb/leaves off the trunk... so the energy and form are maintained in the top..

OK.. we're getting to it... now green cuttings are difficult to root..... and these little bunches of leaves.. are almost a new limb.. and in letting thesee grow out just a little bit.. so they look like the photo above... I'm able to break them off the trunk.. and provide the standard form I'm looking for.. so I thought why not root these.. and see how they do... so just breaking them off.. and sticking the end into soil... I found they... with so much new growth energy.. they root quite easily.. and don't limp out like a little green cutting... these are really just a bunch of leaves... a would be limb... but they seem to root extreamly well.. and each standard to be.. is the source of dozens of leaf clumps.. new trees... with just the pruning to shape...
here's the leaf bunches... all still going strong... no hormones.. or rooting gentts.. just stuck in the soil near by... 100% take rate so far.. and a great way to cut on some of my better plants... while just maintaining their form..

there's not 1/2 " of real stem inside the leaf bunches... and they are just so full of growth... it's about like having the leaves rooting... when was the last time your rooted a brug leaf to get some new plants.. and before they were just a throw away item..

I will have to try that I have a couple of brugs that have large side shoots that I don't realy want there.

Go for it Doris... free brugs galore..
I don't remember ever hearing anyone recommending rooting these.. so I was a little apprehensive in trying... but they seem just fine... I pick off the outer leaf or two... just to keep them kind of upright growing in the dirt.. without a leaf pair sticking down into the soil to rot out

Gordon, how long does it take for them to root?

Thank you.:o)

I have rooted Brugs this way and have had close to 100% rooted. I think it has something to do with getting a little heal of the trunk and the extra hormones that are there. The problem is, like you, I am usually stripping them off at this time of year to put the energy where I want it, to the Y. By this time of year I usually have lots of last Falls cuttings that are above the Y and do not need the extra plants. Then again this was a cold and wet Winter and a good many of my cuttings did not make it. Some of my standards didn't make it either.

OUCH... Yes.. I know what you mean.. there's plenty.. and ones inbetween.. awaiting something or other... and most everywhere I can find a home for one is already full.. the thought of pulling 3 dozen new plants off a tall standard .. then potting them up in a couple of months..and they will likely not be blooming this year..
well Lola.. I pulled one litttle set of leaves out and looked.. this group today.. had two little roots starting out the heal of the trunk ...as Ken mentioned.. I'm in agreement with him..there's a tiny bit of developed tisssue that comes with it... aother spurr... is it's first sprouting tissue.. like the new seed tissue it's got boogey... [ it will triple in size in a week or two ] an old hunk of a limb can only remember.. so you get to pull this energy into getting it to be rooting

Thank you very much Gordon. I am going to try and root some, but I have plenty of waiting time. My brugs are still small.:o)

It is true. The tiny green ones will root better if you can get a piece of the heel with it. I did an experiment with tiny green ones about 3 yrs ago but I did them in medicine cups and shot glasses. Here is a pic of one I rooted in a medicine cup. It had the tiniest piece/heel on it.

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That is so cute! Thank you for the photo, Angel!

Well... a week ago... they hada little bit of root started... some 5 days later.. there's a mini root system.. perhaps as big as the above ground part of the cutting... or should I say breaking.. as it was broken off the stem..
so these can be moved anywhere.. into a pot or bed at this point.. maybe two weeks in doing.. and effortless...

so ..I started another tray of them.. these are from Peach Parfait.. real long limbs.. I break off and remove most all the leaves

oh.. this was a local artist and his piece named rooting.. a 7' root ball... for a 4' tree... .. well the tree is artificial.. so mabe it needs a big root ball...

LOL!!!That is soo weird!

Gordon, thank you for the advice and photos. I was looking around and some of my brugs have these little shoots so I am going to try your method.

I will keep you informed.:o)

Gordon has it going on when I recive cuttings i buy I cut off the end 2 inch and log it this is my back up nice to have 2 so when they get growing to be able to move them around the yard to see where they will do the best. Plus I have a armidillo around here on the night shift go out there to find Sam and Rothkirch dug up. I could not belive that he didn't hurt them lucky I found them before the sun came up but its nice to have a spare never know whats going to happen.

Gosh, Gord, are you rooting these in water, soil or potting mix? And are you adding any nutrients?

I made some cuttings the Gordon way last Monday and they are all looking very good.

Mine are just planted in potting compost with added perlite.:o)

I started doing this a couple of years ago when I saw an article on rooting tomato shoots and it is amazing how well it works on brug and tomatoes. I figured they were in the same family so it should work and it did. I usually just stick them in the soil with the parent plant so I will know what they are when it is time to pot them up.

I root mine in MG potting soil... with a little cow manure in it... and they get sprayed with the recipe every time I get about to it... and with everything else that gets sprayed also.. I get a few roots in a week or two... and by three weeks a nice tiny toot ball...
never have the brug gods been so cooperative with their blessings.. to 100% success...

gordon, I'm a newbie at posting and mostly learning on DG, yours is like a mini-class. I have just brought one home and will keep following to learn more. THX

I read the whole thread and it is amazing!! What do you do with them ? You must have unlimited space in your yards !!! I will try them just to satisfy my curiosity.Belle

now the hundred dollar question they all root but, will you see flowers this season???

I usually see this type of growth on the trunk below the original "Y". They would have to go through the vegetative growth cycle. Unless that particular variety "Y"ed while still fairly short, my guess is that it won't bloom this season.

I'm glad you had a thought on this...Veronica.. I was meaning to ask this question of you..
so.. if these little branch units were allowed to grow out on the tree..... they would become limbs ..right... wouldn't these be " Y's " if left to grow out... and if they were " Y's they should be able to set blooms right away..
do you believe

Please clarify: "standard form" and "Y", thanks Gordon.

Well Sylguy... Standards are plants with a main trunk and branching at the top... kind of like a regular tree... roses are also said to be pruned to a standard form if the have the long straight trunk and the bush above on this.. my brugs although starting like this from last year.. tend to send out a pile of shoots on the side of the trunk... as it's easier than pushing the nutrients up to where the branching was..
A " y " is where on a new plant it sends off a side shoot... causing the plant to have the look of the letter " Y " .. untill it does this is is in a vegative state of growth and won't flower untill it does..

slyguy,
Brugs have 2 types of growth: vegetative and flowering. Seedlings and any branches from below the "Y" on the mother plant will have to go through the complete vegetative cycle before they start the flowering cycle. The vegetative cycle exhibits some special characteristics. The shoot will grow very straight without branching and the sides of the leaves at the point where they attach to the stem are even. No amount of pinching will force this type of shoot to start flowering. It will instead send out shoots that will start the vegetative cycle all over again. How tall the plant gets before it switches to the flowering cycle is dependent upon its genetics.

Once the vegetative cycle is complete, the tip of the shoot will seem to split and produce 2 new shoots. As these 2 shoots grow, the shape of the plant looks like a "Y", thus the designation. Sometimes a seedling will produce 3 new shoots, but it's still called a "Y". The shape of the leaves also changes, They become asymmetrical. http://countrygdn.com/infosheets/yandsub.html

As the vegetative shoots nears the end of the vegetative growth cycle, it produces a number of small shoots near the top. These are the shoots Gordon has been talking about.

Gordon — They become limbs, but from below the "Y". So they will have to go through the vegetative growth cycle. This a photo of Kelly Ann. During winter, she had 3 seed pods and didn't put out any new growth except these 2 shoots growing below the "Y". In the photo her trunk goes off to the right while the 2 shoots grew straight up. One has "Y"ed, but the other is still growing straight up. She's beginning to look weird as she has re-directed all her energy to the 2 new shoots. No new growth on the original "Y" branch. You'll have to follow the Brug branches. There is a plumeria directly behind her.

I got Jamie as a cutting from below the "Y". He is getting close to producing a "Y". His little trunk is completely surrounded by small shoots. As this photo shows the leaves on those shoots are symmetrical. They show vegetative growth so will have to go through that cycle before producing a "Y".

This is photo of the Goldenes Kornett X Magrethe seedliing I won in that contest you had last year. Very early on, she produced a second stalk which is now almost the same size as the original. One has "Y"ed. The little shoot, shown close to the "Y", has asymmetrical leaves. That one should bloom sooner if it survives. Some times all the leaves drop off these little shoots and you are left with bare little nubs that don't even put out any other leaves nor do they continue to grow. That happened to all the little shoots on Seminole Moon.

And thats the hundred dollar answer very good thanks Betty!

Wow, what I can learn here is tremendous and your input, Gordon and bettydee, is highly appreciated.

betty, were your ears burning this am? I was visiting BigBubbles here in Austin and she several times referred to info you two had exchanged. She showed me the asymetry on the leaves, telegraphing imminent blooms.

I have an old one that I think may have had it this past winter. It was in a huge pot surrounded by wandering jew and had survived 4 winters with Ensulate cloth and a light bulb under it, but not this time...too big to move. I dug it up before my visit this am and it's about 10" long shaped like a slingshot and has roots, so I re-potted it.

With BigBubbles, I went to Green Gate in Seguin on Mon. and bought a Brug. and when I came home from her wonderful gardens, I gave it a good inspection. Glad I did. I found the asymetrical leaves on one of it's many branches, turned it around and found a bloom and a bud!

I'll post a pic tomorrow to see what y'all make of the structure of this Brug, and also Gordon to note all the little "suckers" along the trunks.

THX for all the great info!

well... un update on this rooting method... still by far the easiest and fastest way here in the summer... I took a cutting and water rooted it till it had the start of roots... a moment or so after the bumps changed to roots.. I planted it in some soil... it's still languishing.. alive but awaiting enough roots to get going.. ones thatwere put into a shallow container... fresh ffrom breaking them off.. have rooted and didn't loose a leaf.. and are growing well... this is the remainers [ not already given away ] of the Peach Parfait..[ Maya ] I made couuting of in the first part of this post...
The other plant in this container of rooting.. is Emerald Frost... it was started after ... and has far surpassed the Maya growth..
elizabeth,,, from the other thread.. you mentioned Emerald frost was growing well there... it is truely one of the strongest growers I've run across...surely a canadate for use in any breeding program..

H.. debra... come on back to the old neighborhood.. and drop by here... I'll give you this big rooted Emerald Frost...a great grower... and looks to be resistant or at least unatractive to spydermites...

Gordon, I would expect Maya, being a variegated Brug, to be slower growing. I have been trying to get information about Emerald Frost and have looked at photos of it. Is it a green on green variegated Brug? Don't get this wrong, but what is so great about it. I have seen photos of the blooms which look like most other variegated Brug, except Jamie, and which appear either whitish or slightly apricot. I really can't see any type of leaf color changes even in new leaves. Several people have raved about it, but I'm left in the dark as to what is so special about her to merit so many raves?....left in the dark...

Hi Veronica... well you hit on part of the raves in your first sentance... you'd expect it to be slower growing... but it isn't ... it's about the strongest grower I've had... there's biger growers... like for me the Axel Rodes crosses... they went to 10 ft in a season as a seedling sprout... but EF is strong... it has either a light leaf with a dark variegation... or a darker leaf with a lighter variegation... guess they are both the same... but some leaves are more one than the other.... her flower is a med pink... it retains a hint of the white in the edges... the skirt is slightly ruffled here... on an open type of flower... the tendrals are remarkably short though... not my favorite take on them... but this is my first flush so I'd expect some changes as it grew..
lets see if you can discern the variegation on a few of mine...then..

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Well you can see it I bet now... I've grown Jamie also.. this is much stronger a plant.. and soooo much stronger than miners claim or snowbank... but they are a white variegated type.. which will as you said be getting less food production from the white in the leaves..
these were the mother and cuttings from the same plant...