How long does this take to actually grow in to a flowering plant? Thanks?
cuttings from passion flower
There are over 500 passiflora. It varies among passiflora. Some are very hard to root. Some root easily and will grow quickly, possibly blooming the first year. Ohio gets cool sooner than Florida. So the south has more blooming first yr passies than further north.
Johanna
As Flicker said, it depends on the variety. I've had Lady Margaret cuttings bloom within weeks of potting up. These were cuttings taken of actively growing stems. If one breaks on the "moma" plant, I root them. Lavender Lady and good ole "Maypop's" as well as Neprodes have done the same. I'm in Florida tho, and many of these root within a week to 10 day's as it's no effort to keep them in the humidity required.
mjsponies,
How do you root Lady Margaret? I am always glad to see the runners since I am seldom successful rooting them.
Flicker,
I root them in straight vermiculite. When I take the cutting, I cut on a diagonal line across a leaf node, dip in rooting powder, and insert in a small pot with straight vermiculite, set in a saucer with just enough water to keep the vermiculite moist. keep in bright light but no direct sun .
That's how I do all of them. I have used the floral foam if I'm doing cuttings under lights but I try not to do that I don't like the results as well.
So you are doing this outside in shade. Which rooting powder do you use?
I'm doing them in the greenhouse now, but before I had the greenhouse I did them either in my kitchen window or on the screened porch or on a bench in the shade. I have also done them under lights, but they took longer. I think the rooting power is called root tone. I've thought about trying the gel but never got around to it
right now we've got 75% sunblock shade cloth on the greenhouse, and it's got the 98% UV filter panels.
I have a sunblock shade cloth on an open gazebo that has 60% sun block. The pots on the top shelves get watered when it rains but the lower shelves get very little. We are having daily rain storms and the humidity is very high. I may look for rootone . I have used Clonex gel with good results when air layering passiflora. It is very expensive and must be kept refrigerated.
Thanks for the info.
I've not done any air layering with the passi's. I have with Pipevine's and Butterfly Orchid vine, and right now and trying the Red Jade vine.
Actually the Pipevine's I root the same as the Passionflowers, they do take longer tho, except for A. trilobata, that roots pretty easy.
Doyou have aristolochia elegans? I can usually find potted vines at our garden centers but nothing this year. I have kept this pipevine growing for years because it reseeds in various places and I repot what comes up. But no more. My a. fimbriata made it however.
This is a shot of a. grandiflora that I grew in 2002. Impressive! Stinky!! Do you grow this one?
I have elegan's, frimbriata, and aristolochia gianticia,and trilobata ( which sometimes get confused with the elegan's or "Calico", drives me nuts that "Dutchman's" Pipevine is used for most of them. But that's the case with so many "common' names for plants...passion flowers too I'd like to get tomentosa also, BUT ! I've got so many vine's ! Running out of trellis/tree's. And have Passiflora trifasciata coming, should be here tomorrow !
mj
Air layering isn't at all necessary with vines, I've been very successful with ground layering. If I have many vines, I'll take one and bury several nodules. Looks like stitching. I did do it in extremely good composted soil. I've been meaning to try the same thing with pots, in the sunshine. Ought to work.
Thomas
Poet,
Actually my method is similar to rooting a stem in the ground. I don't bend too well anymore. I hang a 4" plastic pot from a trellis with an orchid hook, fill it with a peat mix, strip the surface from the vine at a leaf node, lay the vine in the cup, cover it with soil and put a rock on top. If necessary I use rooting gel at the wound site. As long as we have rain and humidity, I have a high success rate. The only problems that I have are ants and long dry spells.
Johanna
mjsponies
I have an old a. tomentosa. It has NEVER bloomed but does make a large healthy vine. I was advised to pitch this vine and get another that might bloom. So I dug it up but it continues to return. I bought it to attract pipevine caterpillars. Since i have had several pipevines over the years and no pipievine cats, I assume these butterflies use a different host in my area.
Both the Pipevine and Polydamas Swallowtails use it. Here the Pipevine Swallowtails seem to favor the trilobata, while the Polydamas go after the elegans, or gianticia, and neither seems interested in the frimbriata. a. tomentosa is supposed to be one of the favored ones also.
Here is a link you might find interesting....it shows the county's where they are most common...
http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species?l=1350&chosen_state=22*Louisiana
I know someone who would trade you pipevines in your interested ;-)
Thanks for the site. We very seldom see polydamus here, but do have lots of pipevine.
Yes, I would like to trade if you can send the name. Right now I have flu + an asthma attack so I won't even go outside (rain has caused lots of mold and mildew). Miserable. The trade would have to wait until I feel better.
sent you a d-mail.........hope you feel better soon !
I've stopped using rooting hormone .. I also use the vermiculite to root cuttings and have noticed I get the same results in the same time frame and sometimes better without the hormone, especially on woody stems. I've found Lady Margaret quite easy to root using the vermiculite. I'm also starting to germinate seeds with it as well.
X
X,
I think the vermiculite is easier for the roots to spread thru.
As for seeds....I crush some vermiculite and spread it on the surface for very small seeds or mix it into the seed starting mix for others...just kinda depends on what I'm sowing.
Some things I think it might retain a bit to much moisture for tho....
What have you been sowing in it ?
mj
I've never tried teeny tiny seeds in it .. afraid they'd get lost or be too delicate to transplant. I'll try some pulverized vermiculite and asarina scandens and see what happens. I sow mg's and pretty much anything larger than a grain of rice.
I use small pots in plastic drawer dividers. I've drilled holes in the dividers about a quarter inch above the bottom so water will never get higher than that. I keep it underneath the bench in the greenhouse .. works really well for me.
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I have another one outside the greenhouse in dappled/filtered sun - plants that take a long time to root like hydrangea seem to do better with dappled/filtered sun than total or bright shade .. it's in a small window box thingy. In case you are wondering, the white powdery bits on the hydrangea cutting is diatomaceous earth.
X,
On the tiny seeds, I crush the vermiculite into "all most" a power, and sprinkle on the surface of the seed starting mix, I think it helps keep them from getting lost. I've not tried using straight vermiculite to sow anything yet, but think I will. It's so hot now that some things are balking at germinating. I may have to start inside to keep them cool enough. (jeeze it's bad enough doing that in winter, now in summer ?!)
Lol .. my spotted trillium gifted me with some seeds .. I sowed them vermiculite then checked out the Thompson & Morgan Seed Germination Database only to find that they require a cold warm cold treatment to break the double dormancy. 3 months in fridge 3 month out and 3 months in. Never tried vermiculite in the fridge will be a new one for me. I'm going to give them at least a couple of weeks in the heat since some seeds if freshly sown will come up in spite of having double dormancy. Tacca, the bat flower is one of them .. fresh seeds germinate quickly older seeds can take months, even years.
Oh I don't have your patience ! I'd go get the plant..........heck with the seeds. LOL....
Lol .. I used to not have the patience but learned to have when it occurred to me the following year that I'd be half way thru the waiting .. my first "long term" seed project was the Yellow Rain Lily .. they germinate the first year but it takes at least 2 years from germination to flower. They were definitely worth the wait.
Anne,
What can I say.........other than before, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more patient than I have. I have so many "irons in the fire" ...I have only had one passi germinate from seed ! It's a noid ( well shortly I hope to have an id as it is setting bud's big time) "mini passiflora" that I received in a group trade. So far looks like the bloom will be about the same size as corkbark, actually I missed one hiding beneath some leaves, but seems a pale yellow w/ a purple??? center/filaments. I was hoping for biflora. But I dont' think so. Anyway, I'm watching it much closer now. It can't hide much longer ! I have seeds from Gordon's Picotee, ( a bit OT from here) and think I will offer them to someone who will carry on. These blooms have been very much consistent with what was being sought. I've been very diligent...to the point of not allowing blooms to stay on the plant any longer than for me to determine that they were "not" worthy ( ok so they were still pretty but...........). Do you want some back to go on with? I'll send them if you do.
mj
I'd appreciate at least 10 each of your best performers. Passies can take a long time to germinate .. my $%^& allardi took all of 6 months - I don't have so much trouble starting them as to making them bloom! My alata is 2 years old now and nary a bloom - on the other hand Lady Margaret won't quit blooming .. she gifted me with 2 flowers today .. I learned a long time ago not to give up on seeds via the "curse n stir" method with datura and keep my little starter pots tucked in a corner of the gh .. I finally got Ibicella lutea to germinate after 8 months .. and it's just started to bloom! I'll go out to the gh in the morning and every once in awhile something I planted in December will have popped up and surprised me.