Growing Tomato's Advice Needed

North Ipswich, Qld, Australia

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Hi,

I have transplanted 3 tomato plants into a large pot. I used very good potting mix and topped it with a mixture of orchid mix and cow manure so it would not dry out too quickly.

What are the steps to keep these healthy and free of disease, also do they need to be staked yet or when they grow bigger?

Expert advice needed as in sun/shade/fertilizing, etc, on a budget.

Thank you my friends,

Debi

This message was edited Aug 20, 2009 11:14 AM

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Corte Madera, CA

Hi, Debi. If your tomatoes are indeterminate varieties, you'll have a crowded room there soon. I'm not an expert, but tomatoes grow big and tall (average 6'-8').

Let's see what people in the know would say.

Annapet

Oceanside, CA(Zone 10a)

What variety are they? How big is that container? 5 gallon? 7 gallon? I wouldn't use anything smaller than a 5 gallon for one plant. Even one plant in that container, you'd be watering daily and fertilizing a lot once they get a few feet high.

I would stake/cage them soon. Much easier when they're small. 6+ hours of sun.



This message was edited Aug 12, 2009 7:13 PM

North Ipswich, Qld, Australia

Hey,

They are "Grosse Lisse" tomato's.

No, I need two more big pots I think.

Thank you,

Debi

SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)

Debi,
Only One tomato plant per pot, please.

For easy staking, get a roll of cage wire, with squares around 3"- 4". I think they come in heights up to 5-6'. Get a pair of wire cutters or use the inside of a pair of pliers and cut out the bottom-most or last horizontal wire. This'll leave you with a length of vertical wires. Because the wire's been set in a roll, you can simply measure it around the outside of your pots and it'll stay wrapped tight. Use those vertical spikes to sink the "cage" down into your dirt outside. Cut off the excess and do the same around each pot.

Voila! Instant tomato cage!

Tomatoes need full sun at least 6-8 hours per day, so choose your brightest spot.

Fertilize with a time-release fertilizer anywhere from 10-10-10 to 15-15-15. (All 3 numbers need to be between 10-15. Put a 2" wide ring of fertilizer on your soil as far away from the roots of the plant as you can, generally, right along the inside rim of your container. Best to use two fingers and make a nice trench with a slightly raised ridge so the fert doesn't wash in too close to your new seedlings. Tomatoes are nutrient hogs, so fert often. Or, you can use a water soluable fert every day except one day, when you should water with plain old water to flush the fert residue through the soil. Then back to every day watering with the water soluable fert.

You can mix in approx. 1/4 - 1/2 tsp. Epsom salts (Magnesium) with your ferts and apply to the plants once a week. Once they grow bigger and are established, you can up that ES to 1/2 TBL.

Hope this helps.

P.S. Be alert for tomato hornworms, which can eat your entire plant overnight. Look for black poopy droppings. If you see any, start searching closely, limb x limb, leaf x leaf (on the undersides), and down the main stem until you find it. They are masters of camoflauge and will blend in with the foliage. But, the poop is the giveaway that it really is there! Find it and pull it off pronto!


Linda

Crestview, FL

Debi: I would transplant them into one per pot as soon as possible, stake them, make sure you have added dolomite lime to the medium along with epsom salts and cage it up immediately. I didn't cage mine up right away and wished I had of now, as it looked like a wild jungle because of it. If you use dolomite and epsom you won't have any BER, hopefully. And if you plant one per pot, you will give the roots room to spread.
joy

North Ipswich, Qld, Australia

Thanks Joy,

BTW, what is BER, what does that mean, I am still learning the shorthand. lol

Your Friend,

Debi

Crestview, FL

Debi: BER is where your tomato has a black spot on it close to the stem part, that is caused from not enough calcium, or caused from inconsistent watering. Tomatoes love calcium and magnesium and lots of water. So; you must give it calcium through dolomite lime, magnesium through epsom salts and make sure it gets watered evenly and consistently.
joy

Efland, NC(Zone 7a)

I've been following this thread and feel the need to make a few corrections, Folks.

Gymgirl and Joy are giving some good advice but with a few misunderstandings. Don't be alarmed, GG and Joy have sure learned a lot, and shared, in the little bit of time they've been gardening or on DG. Standing ovation to them both! Your willingness to help is wonderful, I hope you keep it up and encourage others to do the same.

"BER is where your tomato has a black spot on it close to the stem part,"

Nope, BER (Blossom End Rot) is when there is a black spot at the blossom end, the end opposite the stem. That is important to remember as it will tell you a great deal about the cause of that black spot, why it is at either of those ends, and what you can do to resolve the issue, if anything. (For example, a black spot at the stem end might be just plain rot, disease, elevated sun scald, etc, but certainly not BER.)

Also, Debi is in Australia, a totally different region than U.S and the growing conditions, climate, soil and soil products are going to be quite different so certain suggestions that we would follow in the U.S might offer and prove beneficial may not apply in Australia. For example, many commercial soil mixes are geared for regional use, what is sold in the South will oftentimes consist of ingredients that are quite different from what is sold out West. The same will be true for potting mixes sold here (US)) will be different from those sold in Australia, most likely due to what ingredients are available. Keeping that in mind it might not be such a good thing to recommend lime (of any kind) unless we know the pH of the Australian potting mixes. Moreover, recommending to "make sure you have added dolomite lime to the medium along with epsom salts" may be more harmful than helpful. It is also a bit redundant in that dolomite offers both calcium and magnesium so save your money, adding the Epsom salt isn't necessary for magnesium since that is provided in more than ample amount from the dolomitic lime. (And by the way, magnesium doesn't come into play with BER so it also is not recommended as a necessary ingredient to inhibit it.)

I feel uncomfortable making corrections here because I'm afraid it will come off as attacking. I assure you that is not the case. I hope ya'll understand I tend to talk and type in a gentle voice.

"Fertilize with a time-release fertilizer anywhere from 10-10-10 to 15-15-15" and "Tomatoes are nutrient hogs, so fert often."

Not. Time released fertilizer needs to only be applied once per season, not often. Those types of fertilizer, also known as CRF (controlled release fertilizer) usually come in 3-4 month, 7 month, and 9 month release rates. With tomatoes a single application of CRF will be sufficient. I wonder if Linda/Gymgirl mistyped that and was referring to regular granular fertilizer that many folks use directly in our veggies gardens, lawn, and EarthBox type containers. If you substitute granular fertilizer in her suggestion above I think you will do well. And by the way, tomatoes get by very easily on less fertilizer than many other plants, especially preferring a low Nitrogen food.

Back to Epsom Salts, it's simply not necessary to overload your soil mix on a regular basis with it. If you use CRFs they usually contain magnesium; some granular ferts also contain it; and it is also usually available if you are growing directly in the ground, sometimes to excess. However, Degarotty, that in-ground availability won't apply to you so I'd suggest seeing what your potting mix is made of and also check the ingredients on the fertilizer/plant food you purchased and see if it already contains mg. Too much will have a negative affect. And keeping in mind our environment, Epsom Salts is highly water-soluble and any excessive use will simply cause it to be washed out of our containers, into the ground and eventually be transferred into the local ecology. (A pet peeve of mine is the Epsom people stating it 'doesn't build up in your soil, you can't use too much', etc. The reason being is because it washes out and has to go someplace, eh?)

As for other suggestions, I whole-heartedly agree to move your plants into separate pots, no less than five gallon. Grosse Lisse can get huge and the better root system the better the harvest, the bigger the container the more it will hold water/moisture consistently and not have a wet/dry affect.

I sure hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes here with these corrections.

Best,
Shoe

North Ipswich, Qld, Australia

Hi Shoe,

Thank you for your experience and your advice, it is needed for me.

I like to think that all info is a learning experience and the difference in countries can be a big deal.

I only buy the Yates Professional potting mix, so I imagine that it is a good mix (I hope).

I really appreciate all the help from each and every one of you all.
You all are very generous in wanting to help me grow some great tomatoes.

I wish I could send some to you all (when they grow) so you can taste all of the advice that has been given to me.

Again, thank you all for your help,

A new friend from Oz,

Debi

Crestview, FL

Shoe: No offense taken, and glad to see you posting again, you haven't been doing that much lately.

Debi: Shoe is right, he is a great gardener and I am just on my second season, so I stand corrected.
joy

SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)

Hey, Shoe!

I discovered awhile back that, while I have a passion and talent for teaching, I have a greater passion to LEARN about the things I am truly interested in. And, right now, that is being the very best veggie grower I can be.

So, no offense taken. I would be more upset if you didn't set me straight when my facts are askewed!

Check your dmail, please.

Efland, NC(Zone 7a)

Mornin' Folks...

I got two wonderful Dmails this morning when I woke up. What a special treat to hear from Joy and Linda. Thanks for the start to another nice day! I'll be in touch!

Happy Gardening in all the Gardens of Life, Folks!

Shoe (off to pick tomatoes and okra before the heat kicks in)

North Ipswich, Qld, Australia

Hi Guys,

How do you stake tomato's? I know it has been discussed here but I am not quite getting it. Could someone help me understand how.

I know, I sound stupid but I am just not grasping it.

Thanks,

Debi

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SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)

Like this. It's just a wire (or wood or whatever) "cage" around the container to keep your branches from snapping when they grow bigger and are loaded with fruit.

It could also be just a stout pole CAREFULLY pressed down into the bottom of your planter. Then you just loosely tie the main, or middlemost, stem with some twine that won't cut through the stem, to keep it from bending over and breaking.

You could put a clothesline or wire stretched between two upright posts above your plant. Then tie a separate line at the base of your young seedling, leaving enough additional line to drape over the line above. Gently wind it around your seedling from the base upward and drape the excess over that horizontal line. As the plant grows taller, continue make it wind around your vertical line so it grows upward without keeling over. The main stem will be supported, however, you'll still need to deal with the hortizontal branches in some way.

Hope this helps.



This message was edited Aug 18, 2009 11:32 AM

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Chester, MA(Zone 3b)

Degarotty,

Yo could send the people who gave advice some seeds. It wold be interesting to see what cultivars of tomatoes you grow in OZ as compared to the varieties here in the USA. I will have many heirloom tomatoes seeds to trade come fall if you are interested in a trade.

Good luck with your growing!!!!!
Day

North Ipswich, Qld, Australia


Hey Daylahmnas.

I will most certainly do that.

Now, when they grow how do I save seeds?

Debi

Efland, NC(Zone 7a)

Here you go, Debi, a complete easy-to-understand tutorial, complete with pics.

http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/Horseshoe/1109/

Best.
Shoe

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