Fruits and Nuts: Persimmons, 1 by Clementine

Clementine wrote:
I planted two persimmon trees in October of 2007, a Jiro and a Saijo. Funny thing is that the Saijo is supposed to be astringent, but I have been eating them off the tree for the past several weeks, as they ripen, i.e. they become a little darker and translucent looking and very soft. They are not astringent.

Look at the picture, I picked 15 today and there are still maybe 6 or seven on the tree that are not soft yet. I thought the astringent ones needed to be "frosted", like the D. virginiana, but that does not seem to be the case.

I have a question which I am posting separately.

C.